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[stirs]

I have said many times, an ignorant electorate is the two party systems best friend. The 30 second commercial should never have as much influence as it does. When, with a week to go, you have sooo many people who say they are undecided. Did they just land on the earth? Do they have no core values? Do they not read or ever become engaged?

We get what we pay for in this country from Bush to Obama.

[Tensor]

I was talking with my wife as we watched his acceptance speech, and both of us could not understand why some people HATE Obama. I am totally cool with opposing his policies, thinking he is a bad president, or whatever.

But the way some people just HATE him, I never understood that. He is a good dude who loves his country. Just like Mitt is, just like McCain is. But I don't hate any of those guys even though I .didn't vote for them or because I disagreed with their visions for America.

I mean, Obama is the Cam Newton of presidential politics. So much undeserved hate on that man.

He's been labeled as a socialist, a muslim, a racist, and more. Combine that with a populace that only listens to soundbites and you get hatred.

Had McCain been elected, we'd be exactly where we are today. The only thing that Obama passed that McCain wouldn't have tackled is the affordable care act.

TARP still would have been passed, the General Motors bailout would have still been passed, we (likely) still would have withdrawn from Iraq or at least would have begun the process, we'd still have high unemployment, and so on.

The national debt would still be at 15-16 trillion because TARP/bailouts removed (because any president would have passed them), virtually all of the debt growth is a product of increased entitlements for medicare and social security, again something that would have been unchanged if McCain had won.

It's all branding and political parties excel at it. Obama is a socialist communist kenyan born muslim liar that doesn't believe in free enterprise and Romney is a out of touch wealthy heartless aristocrat that doesn't care about 47% of the country.

[pstall]

tensor you are right. its basically packaging of ice cream. same contents, just oh so slightly less than 64oz and yet the price has gone UP. so you get less for your money but "feel" like you got something.

[Delhommey]

Can I interject here to say the Health Care thing is a freakin huge difference?

[Tensor]

Can I interject here to say the Health Care thing is a freakin huge difference?

It absolutely is. Did I say it wasn't?

My point was really only about budget problems and unemployment, which are largely unaffected by the Affordable Care Act at this point.

[pstall]

health care act is huge. how soon we see the benefits or true costs are a few years away.

[FurdTurgason]

The Health Care thing is not a good thing. It hurts as many as it helps.

[thefuzz]

I dislike Obama just as much as I dislike Bush.

Hate is a strong word, and is probably reserved for those of very little education or intelligence.

[Tarheel31]

I was talking with my wife as we watched his acceptance speech, and both of us could not understand why some people HATE Obama.

This is why...

[mr beauxjangles]

There are some other huge differences besides health care between the Obama administration and a potential McCain administration.

• Advanced a timely troop withdrawal from Iraq and ended the war
• Appointed Sotomayor and Kagan to the Supreme Court, both pro-choice
• Big 3 auto bailout which McCain opposed
• Reauthorized Children's Health insurance Program, which was vetoed by Bush and opposed by McCain
• Brought an end to Don't Ask Don't Tell
• Signed the Dodd-Frank Reform and Consumer Protection Act which McCain would have vetoed, and established the Consumer Protection Bureau
• Eliminated restrictions on stem cell research

The differences in terms of energy and education are pretty large as well.

[TruCatzFan]

Did anyone else notice in the first few sentences that he seems to loathe Ronald Reagon... It's like he despises him and his ideas. Pay attention to how he says his name and his facial expressions.

That's why this country will go down the tubes... He really is that far apart from One of the best Presidents of all time!

[rodeo]

Did anyone else notice in the first few sentences that he seems to loathe Ronald Reagon... It's like he despises him and his ideas. Pay attention to how he says his name and his facial expressions.

That's why this country will go down the tubes... He really is that far apart from One of the best Presidents of all time!

He is far apart from Reagan. Reagan raised taxes, Obama hasn't.

[FurdTurgason]

President can't raise taxes, Numbnuts

[rodeo]

I'll keep that quote ready to paste for the next 4 years

But I'll blank out the bad word after the comma because I'm a great person

[FurdTurgason]

I'll keep that quote ready to paste for the next 4 years

But I'll blank out the bad word after the comma because I'm a great person

He can't. Reagan didn't raise taxes. Tip O'Neill and the Democratic Congress did. Clinton didn't lower taxes. Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress did. Obama wants to with every fiber of his being, but his first two years he and Pelosi knew it was economic suicide and his last two years the Republican House wouldn't let him. Here's hoping they keep him in check the next four years, as well.