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#46 Shonuff

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:28 PM

sweet Jesus thank you for proving my point!


The point is, you have NO point...senseless dribble....but at least in your mind you're a football genious.
The Panther had a game plan...it didn't work, but had moderate success (TD) using a specific set formation. Why not stick with it?

Don't give me this -my point exactly-, because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Famous quote from the great Mike Tyson "everybody's got a plan until they get hit in the mouth". The Panther's got hit in the mouth, yet continued to get bloodied using the same unsuccesful approach.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

This is for Doc...can't quote on my phone.

I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. Apparently though, you are. So save us the trouble and give us a jump start on our football education. Surely you have at least a few gems to share with us neophytes.

Bring it Doc.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:54 PM

The point is, you have NO point...senseless dribble....but at least in your mind you're a football genious.
The Panther had a game plan...it didn't work, but had moderate success (TD) using a specific set formation. Why not stick with it?

Don't give me this -my point exactly-, because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Famous quote from the great Mike Tyson "everybody's got a plan until they get hit in the mouth". The Panther's got hit in the mouth, yet continued to get bloodied using the same unsuccesful approach.

Ok, you think it's mindless dribble because it's way over your head.

let me answer my own question since you could not seem to understand them

1) why would you play out of the shotgun if you were having more success early on under center?

the shotgun has 1 primary goal for the QB to give him more time to pass, it's faster at giving the QB room then a 3 or 7 step drop, this is done to offset a pass rush, less effective to run out of but usually more effective to pass out of.

the Broncos Defense decided to bring the pressure up and play close forcing the Panthers to take chances down field.

Basically take out everything low make them go deep.

2) why would you go deep, when early on you had success in short passing routes

see above, the panthers one chance against the broncos after they adjusted was to go deep

3) why would you do multiple pass/hand off fakes?

Panthers WR's aren't exceptionally fast and outside of Olsen they aren't big, this is a huge issue, if you can't beat them with speed or size your just not going to beat them, unless you try to get the corner backs to bite on a pump fake or play action pass to allow your WR's a chance to get open.

this is why Olsen had a big day yesterday, and nobody else did.

basically the Panthers while having a quality WR core and 1 decent TE when faced against opposing quality defenses they just can't match up.

the Panthers Oline is in shambles and opposing defenses are having free range on cam newton, hence when you are running around all day long trying to avoid getting your head taken off you are going to have a bad day.

I was doing all of this to illustrate that there is no need to fire the OC (the original argument that got quit out of hand) because he's actually believe it or not, not doing anything wrong, he's going straight textbook play calling, you want the offense dumbed down for Cam Newton, well it already is.

and that's all I've been saying the entire time.

my ability to 1) see, and 2) understand. is why i know better then you, because I do.

if You actually thought through my questions instead of calling it mindless dribble you might be looking smarter then you do now.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

Not the RBs on the roster. I've been saying this for a few years- and if anyone should recognize this it is Jerry Richardson himself. The man who worships the turf the Rooney's walk on should know better than anyone- the secret to a good running game is simple, and Pittsburgh is one of the best-

You build an offensive line and you keep it together. The Steelers, Ravens, Vikings, 49ers, Seattle all have O-lines who have been playing alongside each other for more than 2 seasons. Those guys know each other better than their wives and they are successful.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

they are already playing a dumed down offense or did you not see yesterday's game? The issue yesterday was too much pressure on cam and him making bad decisions like that pick 6 he threw was all on him


No they aren't. Before the pick 6....more than twice as many passes than runs.

Playcalling isn't helping Cam nor OL.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

What a ridiculous waste of money

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

No they aren't. Before the pick 6....more than twice as many passes than runs.

Playcalling isn't helping Cam nor OL.

read my last post thank you


everyone have a good night

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:00 PM

sigh...... (Looses faith in the human race and walks away into the sunset)

Real note, fist explain to me why the panthers play calling was what it was and what you would do different?

The difference here is I know and you don't, I just don't feel like giving a lesson in football 101 so I'm asking you to figure this out on your own.


I wouldn't call twice as many passes vs runs.....

I would let my line and RBs run the ball....consistantly. Develop some chemistry and repetition running the darn football.

I wouldn't ask my OL to pass protect for a deep vertical attack with no run threat every Sunday. I wouldn't but that load on a young QB either.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

read my last post thank you


everyone have a good night


Just did....

You fail to address they called the same poo before the line was in "shambles" with Cam in shotgun.

Also fail to address they have abandoned the run since week 1 for the most part....again you can go back to week 1.

Failed to address running the ball is another means to neutralize a pass rush and help a OL.

Chud is the problem. He has pretty much done the same thing since week 1.....yet you try to rationalize he retardom as justified bc of what Denver did. Chud wasn't forced to do something different.....it is simply what he does. Proof of that goes back to week 1 (when our RBs had 0 yards, Cam was in shotgun, and Chud was looking for homeruns all game).

Chud essentially handicaps the QB, RB and OL.....

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

Ok, you think it's mindless dribble because it's way over your head.

let me answer my own question since you could not seem to understand them

1) why would you play out of the shotgun if you were having more success early on under center?

the shotgun has 1 primary goal for the QB to give him more time to pass, it's faster at giving the QB room then a 3 or 7 step drop, this is done to offset a pass rush, less effective to run out of but usually more effective to pass out of.

the Broncos Defense decided to bring the pressure up and play close forcing the Panthers to take chances down field.

Basically take out everything low make them go deep.


But see, here's the problem Doc. That's not what happened. We came out in the first series with a pistol play, followed by 1 under center play, followed by 3 shotgun plays.

The 2nd possession, we ran 5 under center plays to 1 out of the gun. We scored on this possession.

The 3rd series, we came out under center, and the first play was a batted down pass. The 2nd play, also under center was a run by Stew for 2 yards. The 3rd play was out of the gun. We threw a deep pass to Smith that never had a chance.

At that point, even though we had scored on 1 of our first 3 possessions, Chud gave up on under center plays. The following 4 possessions featured 13 shotgun plays and 1 under center play.

Chud's problem is he heavily favors the gun. Furthermore, he has no patience for the running game. Either we come out with a hot running game right from the start or he just gives up on it. You have to have patience to establish a running game. Any O-coordinator, o-linemen, or running back will tell you that.

But that's okay, keep educating us. Perhaps we will see the light at some point.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:48 PM

This is for Doc...can't quote on my phone.

I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert. Apparently though, you are. So save us the trouble and give us a jump start on our football education. Surely you have at least a few gems to share with us neophytes.

Bring it Doc.


If you double tap underneath the posters text, it (quote) should pop up. Works on my iPhone

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:19 AM

Stew had 8 freakin carries, and he was our leading rusher. I don't get it.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:09 AM

Stew had 8 freakin carries, and he was our leading rusher. I don't get it.


There is an entire fan base that feels the same as you. The only person on the planet that is not confused is Chud. And that fact can probably be debated.

Chud's vision has killed this season. Not a new concept to be sure. But why not beat that dead horse a few more times. Hell, after over 20 years of marriage. It feels real good to beat something. Someone, somehow, somewhere, has to beat Chud back to reality. Please.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:48 AM

Cameron is fine as our QB. He needs REAL lineman, not turnstiles. He needs receivers who get open and fight for balls. He needs a defense that doesnt rely on him every week. He needs a competent coaching staff.


Yeah. And he needs to hit a wide open Smitty, also. Cam ain't gettin' a pass here (pun intended).

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:54 AM

Rivera and Chud seem to have no continuity of thought about our running game. In other words, they don't know what the hell they are doing.

Whatever happened to run to set up the pass (or vice versa)? Chud's laboratory is a toxic dump.


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