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#16 rayzor

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:35 AM

Gonna go ahead and say Rivera's lack of skills as a HC are what is killing us.

yep.

who he has in his doghouse has a nominal effect on the outcome of the games or the overall record.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

I just don't think he's a very good head coach. I like to look at Chicago and how Lovie Smith finally put his foot down when Mike Martz was the OC and told him "RUN THE FOOTBALL". I don't see Rivera doing anything like that, his decision making as a whole is off.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:07 PM

Adams should get his chance on Sunday, we'll see how he does.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:16 PM

yep, edwards hurt ....adams back...

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:21 PM

anyone else laugh at a user named ruff talking about a doghouse?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:28 PM

Seriously, think about it.

Instead of putting in Sherrod Martin, who is obviously a better player than Nakamura, he continuously goes with Nakamura in his Martin's place, because Martin had a bad season last year.

Joe Adams is in the same boat. The guy is a rookie, and he fumbled twice in one game. Instead, you put in Armanti to return kicks and Captain (who has to be exhausted after playing his ass off on defense) to return punts when he obviously isn't a natural punt returner.

What about Gettis today? Sure, I think that Gettis probably has some rust on him. But, Gettis goes out for a play, then comes back to sideline and gets yelled at.


Nakamura starting over Martin bothered me more than any other lineup decision. No fan deserves to be punished with Naka's terrible play. He's screws up just like Martin, but without any of his physical talent.

I'd have AE returning kicks over Adams all day. AE understands that our STs is terrible and he knows what to do, get the fvck up field, north and south, make your one cut and get what you can. Adams still thinks he's in college and has time to make several moves and do a dance. Sure if we had amazing blocking, then you could try your prime time stuff, but this team eats. Poor Captain is wearing down.

How about less yelling at Gettis and more yelling at Cam and our O-line? The actual reason we're losing.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:29 PM

anyone else laugh at a user named ruff talking about a doghouse?


No, but I am now!

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:31 PM

And, guess what? That's Top DAWG laughing.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:01 PM

Nakamura starting over Martin bothered me more than any other lineup decision. No fan deserves to be punished with Naka's terrible play. He's screws up just like Martin, but without any of his physical talent.

I'd have AE returning kicks over Adams all day. AE understands that our STs is terrible and he knows what to do, get the fvck up field, north and south, make your one cut and get what you can. Adams still thinks he's in college and has time to make several moves and do a dance. Sure if we had amazing blocking, then you could try your prime time stuff, but this team eats. Poor Captain is wearing down.

How about less yelling at Gettis and more yelling at Cam and our O-line? The actual reason we're losing.


OMG someone else thinking that AE is a good return man. Look at his stats. There’s a reason why Captain was put in at punt return over him after the benching of Adams. AE has somewhere around 5 yard return average over his career. Good god. Stop this people, yes he was great in college, most players in the NFL were great in college that does not mean they are worth dookie in the NFL.

His HR avg is not much better either.

#25 Keith Moons Liver

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:20 PM

Yes, we are losing because we aren't playing Sherrod Martin and Joe Adams.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:26 PM

How is Chud not in the doghouse?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:31 PM

I think Martin does a much better job against Roddy White than Naka, if only for the first play of their game winning drive. That was a punt pass that should at the very least been knocked down. Martin makes that play easily.

So, you're satisfied with Armanti, Pilares and Munnerlyn at returns? I think Holliday and Hester showed us the importance of having a legitimate threat at returner can do for you. Holliday ran one back, but Hester gave Chicago great field position all day while barely touching the ball.

And I don't care how you spin it, Gettis is a major upgrade over Murphy. I think he forces defenses to at least account for him because of his speed. That will allow more one on one coverages for Smitty. And the more of that you see, the better chance this team has of winning.

But maybe you're right. maybe we don't win any more games. But at the very least, we develop talent that can contribute in the near future in positions of need.


Question: when Hester and Holliday are on the field making returns are they the only guys on the field? Let me guess, you hadn't thought about the fact that special teams play is a team thing-- multiple guys on the field making blocks and executing a plan.

Another question: When was the last time you saw Gettis play? As poor as the team has played do you think the coaches are keeping Gettis out to be stubborn or because they don't get it like you do? My guess is that he'll be in when he is ready and that means physically, as well as up to speed with the offense--- what there is of it.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:29 PM

Question: when Hester and Holliday are on the field making returns are they the only guys on the field? Let me guess, you hadn't thought about the fact that special teams play is a team thing-- multiple guys on the field making blocks and executing a plan.

Another question: When was the last time you saw Gettis play? As poor as the team has played do you think the coaches are keeping Gettis out to be stubborn or because they don't get it like you do? My guess is that he'll be in when he is ready and that means physically, as well as up to speed with the offense--- what there is of it.



So yes ST is hurting, the point being made is Pilaris has a better return avg on K's in the last 2 seasons since taking over than AE does in 3 seasons. and even Captain is doing better than AE in P's which really is not saying much. Just sick of people trying to put AE on a pedestal like he’s the second coming of Deion Sanders.

AS far as gettis, I agree. I want to see him back as much as the next person. Maybe hes an upgrade maybe hes not, but dont risk putting him out there if hes not 100% and if hes not up to par with the lack offense.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:44 PM

So yes ST is hurting, the point being made is Pilaris has a better return avg on K's in the last 2 seasons since taking over than AE does in 3 seasons. and even Captain is doing better than AE in P's which really is not saying much. Just sick of people trying to put AE on a pedestal like he’s the second coming of Deion Sanders.

AS far as gettis, I agree. I want to see him back as much as the next person. Maybe hes an upgrade maybe hes not, but dont risk putting him out there if hes not 100% and if hes not up to par with the lack offense.



Where do you get these fantasy statistics and show me one post where somebody puts AE on a pedestal.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

Question: when Hester and Holliday are on the field making returns are they the only guys on the field? Let me guess, you hadn't thought about the fact that special teams play is a team thing-- multiple guys on the field making blocks and executing a plan.

Another question: When was the last time you saw Gettis play? As poor as the team has played do you think the coaches are keeping Gettis out to be stubborn or because they don't get it like you do? My guess is that he'll be in when he is ready and that means physically, as well as up to speed with the offense--- what there is of it.


So with that logic, Chicago is the only team Hester would have had success with. So, you don't think Hester would improve our return units? And I would really hesitate to say that Denver's return team blocking is great. There were at least 4-5 Panthers that had a real chance to tackle Holliday on his TD, but they couldn't. I realize the significance of blockers, but to discount the actual returner is not the correct answer. Adrian Peterson is who he is because of his o-line too I guess. My point is blocking will get you to a stage in the defense/coverage team, then it's the ball carriers job to maximize what's given.

You're right, I don't know if Gettis is fully recovered or not. But I do know that he played last Sunday. If he wasn't ready at the start of the game, then he didn't all of a sudden heal or learn the offense at the end of it. And wasn't there a recent post about multiple players on the team saying he was the fastest WR?


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