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Does anyone have a reliable source inside the organization?

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ben grubbs said joe flacco wasn't able to audible in 2011 and cam cameron's answer when confronted about it was a bunch of coach speak that didn't answer the question:

http://baltimorespor...ible-30138.html

young quarterbacks aren't given full control of the offense very often.

Andrew Luck has a 2-14 team that was rebuilding at 6-3. He audibles and is smart.

RGIIII audibles and the Skins offense is eplosive--complettion rate over 70%-he audibles and is smart.

The Ravens have never been known for their offensive prowess and Flacco has not lived up to his potential..

I did say that Cam is not a smart QB now. That is not to say that he will not grow and learn, nor is it to say that he is the only one who does not audible because he is not smart.

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Are you comparing your opinion of good play calling to coaches who have QBs that audible? Do you not think that play calling 30 seconds before the snap is much less successful than plays called after the defense reveals itself? Been watching the same games as you--I agree the play calling sucks. However, do you know how often Chud would change the play if he could?

We agree that a system utilizing pre-snap adjustments and audibles is by far superior. So the question is, why aren't we doing it?

All I know is plays are coming into the huddle with less than 12 seconds on the play clock, and when they break the huddle, there is often 8 seconds or less to read the defense. That does not seem ideal to me.

I've also noted that our offense seems more efficient running 2 minute or no huddle drills when more is put on the QB rather than less.

These questions likely won't be answered until we can see this offense under a different staff, so all we can do right now is wait and speculate.

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Cam is a very green QB. We knew that when we drafted him, people obviously forgot because he was an athletic freak last year. Once the Mental aspect of the game catches up to his physical abilities, the league better watch the hell out.

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We agree that a system utilizing pre-snap adjustments and audibles is by far superior. So the question is, why aren't we doing it?

All I know is plays are coming into the huddle with less than 12 seconds on the play clock, and when they break the huddle, there is often 8 seconds or less to read the defense. That does not seem ideal to me.

I've also noted that our offense seems more efficient running 2 minute or no huddle drills when more is put on the QB rather than less.

These questions likely won't be answered until we can see this offense under a different staff, so all we can do right now is wait and speculate.

And that fact burns me up. He is trying to pre-snap read from the booth, by watching personnel?

I am with you on every word. I think the new GM needs to consider that Cam could be special with the right coach and hire the right coach for Cam. It is a QB league, and nobody we could draft has more upside.

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I personally would love this idea. A year ago chud was a genius and we were begging teams not to steal our game planner. now he's poo and doesnt deserve the job. Gotta love the huddle.

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I personally would love this idea. A year ago chud was a genius and we were begging teams not to steal our game planner. now he's poo and doesnt deserve the job. Gotta love the huddle.

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Don't you think that he would be allowed to call audibles if the coaches felt more confident in his intellingence? Think it through and get back to me.

It's not Cam's intelligence I'm questioning.

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are we really believing this.?

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this franchise has more class than let something leak on a social network.

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It's not Cam's intelligence I'm questioning.

I hear your point, and on Sundays I agree with you 100%. However, Cam has been able to get by on his ability for a long time. You don't get a job as a coach if you are stupid about football. He may make dumb decisions during the game and his strategies fail, but the decision to take away audibles from the franchise QB is one that was not taken lightly.

That is much more likely than everyone except Cam is not smart. B

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I hear your point, and on Sundays I agree with you 100%. However, Cam has been able to get by on his ability for a long time. You don't get a job as a coach if you are stupid about football. He may make dumb decisions during the game and his strategies fail, but the decision to take away audibles from the franchise QB is one that was not taken lightly.

That is much more likely than everyone except Cam is not smart. B

There have been a number of QB's through the years that weren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Guys like Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw just to name two.

Do you think they never audibled? Or do you think someone took the time to teach them the ins and outs so they could be successful?

We aren't asking Cam to perform open heart surgery. If he is deficient in reading defenses (and I don't think he is any worse in this area than typical 2nd year QB's) then damn it teach him to read defenses. Don't just say, ok, we just will do it for him. That won't work.

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There have been a number of QB's through the years that weren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Guys like Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw just to name two.

Do you think they never audibled? Or do you think someone took the time to teach them the ins and outs so they could be successful?

We aren't asking Cam to perform open heart surgery. If he is deficient in reading defenses (and I don't think he is any worse in this area than typical 2nd year QB's) then damn it teach him to read defenses. Don't just say, ok, we just will do it for him. That won't work.

We are mixing the use of dumb/stupid a bit. I do not think Cam is a smart person, but I think he is more unntelligent as a football player. I am referring to a "sense" or "feel" but there is some intelligence behind it too. However, this coaching staff dubbed themselves as teachers, something I see no evidence of at all, so I see your point. Would Cam prosper under Harbaugh? Maybe not, because Luck and Alex Smith are very smart. However, Kaepernick is a lot like Cam, and he is doing OK. Who knows, but we are going to find out.

If I have Cam, I hire a coach who has a record of getting the most out of QBs. When I think of Bill Cowher and his success with Stewart, Maddox, Ben--I have to think he gets it.

My first choice, however, is Kelly from Oregon.

I am not sure these guys make QBs better, but they make everyone around the Qb lift the QB's game.

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