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#131 Originalman

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:51 AM

Agreed that we disagree. But respectfully, you say that there is nothing to suggest that Cam is anything other than "normal" and then give things to suggest he is below normal and make excuses for them. However, I am in the business of analyzing, and assessing intelligence. I speak at symposiums and seminars on the subject. Most recently: The negligence of higher education on the development of divergent thinking skills. I am taking a group of undergraduate students to present at Duke University tomorrow (Google: State of NC undergraduate research and creativity symposium at Duke University if you need verification. We present at 9:15 in the Engineering facility.) Discount that if you want, but I don't tell Mechanics about transmissions or try to explain the law to attorneys, even though I pretend to know about both. (I know people are going to comment on that, but that is the truth and sorry if it sounds arrogant-just explaining why I know what I am talking about).

Cam has done little to demonstrate inelligence. Whether it be behind a microphone or a center, I am not seeing nornal for a pro QB. Look at the QBs from this year and last: RGIII, Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Tannehill, C. Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Russell Wilson, Weeden, etc --that is normal. Most on this list were picked much later than Cam, and many are outperforming him. They are learning and growing--Is Cam?


So let me get this straight Ponder and Gabbert are intelligent QBs? These are two men who look like some of the dumbest QBs I have ever seen play. So intelligence is based on how well a person speaks the English language. Hmmm so all these back wood red neck professors my up north yankee self had in college (when working on my undergrad, masters and PHD in the deep south) who sounded like Terry Bradshaw and I could barely understand with my Jack and Jill education were actually unintelligent. Well I guess your learn something new everyday.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:56 AM

So does that mean magic Johnson mr. self made damn near billionaire. Who doesn't have a great command of the English language is unintelligent. So if I had a million dollars and had a choice to ask Magic or Mark Brunell what to invest in to make my money grow I should ask Brunell correct? You know since he speaks English so well.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:01 AM

He audibled the 3rd offensive play this year against Tampa. I'm sure there are more examples; I just happened to see that play last night.

At some point he was obviously told to stop. Your take on that is it's due to his stupidity.

Based on what we've seen this year, Chud may be the one with the intelligence issues.


So does that mean all of Steve Spurrier's offensive players in Washington were dumb..because you know he didn't allow them to call hot routes. Or was it because his dumb ass who was a suppose to be a genius didn't have hot routes in his offense.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:05 AM

Andrew Luck has a 2-14 team that was rebuilding at 6-3. He audibles and is smart.

RGIIII audibles and the Skins offense is eplosive--complettion rate over 70%-he audibles and is smart.

The Ravens have never been known for their offensive prowess and Flacco has not lived up to his potential..

I did say that Cam is not a smart QB now. That is not to say that he will not grow and learn, nor is it to say that he is the only one who does not audible because he is not smart.


Actually the Shanahan's don't allow audibles in their offense. Mike and his son have admitted such. Now if you said Josh Freeman and Wilson then you would be correct.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:12 AM

No? I didn't just sat here and watch all the games while posting in the chat room? Tell me more...

Yes we did. Quite often actually. We ran it out of the pistol formation, and it was based on the Air Coryell, but we still ran spread and read option plays. Don't try to outhink yourself there Marguide. They are many variations of pretty much the same thing with funny little names.

But perhaps you'd like to enlighten me with your expert opinion of the difference between our option, the college spread option, Air Coryell, and what exactly it has to do with what I said above? How about it?


Sorry, but you're not talking yourself out of this one. You said we ran read option early in the year last
year and it fooled people, allowing Cam to put up big numbers. Find me an example from say the Arizona game, or the GB game or the Chicago game when we ran the read option. While you're at it, please note the relatively high percentage of plays run from under center.

Go ahead. Do it.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:31 AM

How can this guy type so much stuff but know so little?


I was just thinking that myself, LOL

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:46 AM

Sorry, but you're not talking yourself out of this one. You said we ran read option early in the year last
year and it fooled people, allowing Cam to put up big numbers. Find me an example from say the Arizona game, or the GB game or the Chicago game when we ran the read option. While you're at it, please note the relatively high percentage of plays run from under center.

Go ahead. Do it.


No problem. Here.

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What do you think that is? It's not Power I, I can tell you that.

We ran it from the get go. Whether the play ended up a passing play, hand off or a keep it and run play depended on what the defense did. Against Arizona, there were rarely any instances where it called for a rush because they kept blitzing the entire game.

And I don't know the exact percentages but I can look at the play by play on ESPN.com and figure out how many times we were under center.

For example against Green Bay, by my count, we passed 68 times and 48 were out of shotgun...so only about 29% from under center and 71% out of shotgun, or pistol, if you will.

http://espn.go.com/n...918029&period=0

Feel free to click, and scan through and check the other two yourself. I have no idea where you are getting that Cam was taking a high percentage amount of snaps from under center.

I await your response...

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:04 AM

No problem. Here.

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What do you think that is? It's not Power I, I can tell you that.

We ran it from the get go. Whether the play ended up a passing play, hand off or a keep it and run play depended on what the defense did. Against Arizona, there were rarely any instances where it called for a rush because they kept blitzing the entire game.

And I don't know the exact percentages but I can look at the play by play on ESPN.com and figure out how many times we were under center.

For example against Green Bay, by my count, we passed 68 times and 48 were out of shotgun...so only about 29% from under center and 71% out of shotgun, or pistol, if you will.

http://espn.go.com/n...918029&period=0

Feel free to click, and scan through and check the other two yourself. I have no idea where you are getting that Cam was taking a high percentage amount of snaps from under center.

I await your response...


Review our first drive against Green Bay. We ran 9 plays from under center. 2 of those were called back for illegal formation. So make it 7 official plays. 3 plays were run out of the gun.

Maybe you remember the drive...we had to score twice due to our formation problems. Cam passed to Olsen in the end zone but it got called back. He then hit LaFell in the back of the end zone for the TD.

Last year, we typically ran 70% or slightly less out of the gun. I'm not sure of our current number for this year, but as of a few games ago we were over 80%. I think you will find that many of our successful drives featured a high % of plays from under center with 2 TE's. Again, a good example from this year is our first scoring drive against Denver. So those that say Cam can't run a traditional pro offense are just flat wrong, and the fact we do not run it more is why so many people are upset with Chud.

As to your photo, that is a typical shotgun formation. That says nothing about read option. Peyton Manning uses that same formation frequently, but he has never run the read option to my knowledge. A handoff to a back out of the gun does not equal read option.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:10 AM

The read option is a play type..not a formation. You have two options, and you read the backside DE.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:10 AM

Not this thread too.. Does this guy not sleep?


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