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#25 rayzor

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:40 AM

Overhaul? Nah

enema? Yeah

i can see the only "core" member of the team gone being williams and his spot on the roster and his cap hit probably being taken with a vet WR.

pick up a vet RG...i can't see a whole lot more than that on offense and really not much on defense other than finding another FS and adding depth to the DTs.

the real need is for an attitude adjustment.

the team psyche is going to need the emotional equivilant of a colon cleansing lunch at the beacon.

players had become too complacent with fox and then coddled early by rivera (at least when he showed up).

we need a coach to come in and bitch slap this team and put them all on notice. the bar has to be raised as far as expectations from each player and from this team.

that's pretty much why i think we need to have an experienced HC come in rather than some OC or DC that has to learn a new job on the fly. the guy has to come in knowing how to manage a team on and off the field.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:47 AM

i can see the only "core" member of the team gone being williams and his spot on the roster and his cap hit probably being taken with a vet WR.

pick up a vet RG...i can't see a whole lot more than that on offense and really not much on defense other than finding another FS and adding depth to the DTs.

the real need is for an attitude adjustment.

the team psyche is going to need the emotional equivilant of a colon cleansing lunch at the beacon.

players had become too complacent with fox and then coddled early by rivera (at least when he showed up).

we need a coach to come in and bitch slap this team and put them all on notice. the bar has to be raised as far as expectations from each player and from this team.

that's pretty much why i think we need to have an experienced HC come in rather than some OC or DC that has to learn a new job on the fly. the guy has to come in knowing how to manage a team on and off the field.


but i thought you were hellbent on rivera having a 3rd year?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:54 AM

but i thought you were hellbent on rivera having a 3rd year?

hellbent? no. thanks for the exaggeration, tho.

i don't want he team to lose. i don't want the team to go thru another overhaul. i want rivera (just because he's the current HC) to be given a third year to work things out....but that's if there's some amount of progress.

if there's a regression (and it looks like there is) or no move forward then we need to move on.

changing the HC staff might result in a quick turnaround, but there is by no means any gaurantee of one and it wil most likely result in another rebuilding "process". another new system to be learned on both sides of the ball isn't a good thing.

it might be the best thing, tho.

i'm not a fan of turnover within an organization but i know sometimes it's needed.

two turnovers within 3 years is something that frustrates me and could have a very negative impact on the overall team.

firing rivera should be the last resort and if it can be avoided, i think it should. unfortunately i don't think it can be avoided.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:16 AM

HLF is right that this team needs and will get a pretty big overhaul, most of it on offense.

Look at the OL. Gross looks very average. He also looks like he doesn't give a poo anymore. Amini (as much as I loved the pick at the time) looks bad, Kalil is a lock, we have a dumpster fire at RG and Bell looks decent provided he isn't going against speed rushers.

At TE we have Olsen and nothing.

At WR we have Smith who isn't very fast anymore and relies on kicking people's asses for receptions. LaFell only shows up every other game (you're looking like you were right carolina-chuck). After that, we have maybe Gettis. Maybe. The rest are development players that haven't shown anything. Also, outside of Gettis, we have zero speed at the position.

One of our RBs will be gone, absolutely. Probably Williams unless a big restructure occurs.

As much as I defend him and try to point out that he's not getting much help from the team, Newton hasn't been good this year. His mechanics are fuging terrible. He doesn't really seem to have his teams respect. He also looks like he's checked out which worries me far more than retarded "Vince 2.0!!!1" posts. I think that's something the new GM/Accorsi will need to look into. Because if he's not really into playing through the teams adversity or is frustrated with his/the team's lack of success, we're going to need to put a "just in case" plan into motion.

That's just the offense. On defense, you're probably looking at a new starting Safety and at least one new CB. We're also obviously changing out the coaching staff which means new system, new playbook, etc.

So yeah. Overhaul.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:12 PM

you can't do an NFL roster overhaul in one offseason.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:29 PM

That loser philosophy is what New England uses EVERY year. It is how you build great teams, NOT by going out and buying up free agents.


Really? I guess you missed some of their recent FA pickups. You know, guys like Brandon Lloyd, and Anthony Gonzalez, and Steve Gregory, and others. Before that there were guys like Randy Moss and Fat Albert.

NE signs lots of FA's. Their drafts have been very so-so for a number of years.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:14 PM

Really? I guess you missed some of their recent FA pickups. You know, guys like Brandon Lloyd, and Anthony Gonzalez, and Steve Gregory, and others. Before that there were guys like Randy Moss and Fat Albert.

NE signs lots of FA's. Their drafts have been very so-so for a number of years.


NE builds through the draft. I love the way they build a team. They are not afraid to dump anyone at any time that isn't performing. They do NOT pay huge money in FA, they bring in mid tier guys that have some time left and coach them up and do not pay them huge money.