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The Myth of Cam Newton under pressure dispelled

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[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&qualified=true"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&qualified=true[/url]


These stats are sortable...

Just go to the final two columns to allow some of the complete bombast you have read on this forum to sink in...

Cam Newton has been hit 35 times this season...

Mike Vick?? 77 !!!
RG III ?? 51 !!!
Andrew Luck ?? 60 !!!
Cutler ?? 51 !!!
Rodgers ?? 48 !!!
Ryan ?? 47 !!!
Gabbert ?? 47 !!!

As a matter of fact, Cam Newton has been hit the 12th FEWEST times of any QB in the NFL this season...

Now let's hear it...
Why these numbers really don't apply to Cam...
Why Cam is "different"
Why these stats don't mean anything...
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They really haven't played THAT badly, I honestly think Gross is the weakest player on the line when we're completely healthy.

The only reason Gross should be around next season is to be a leader/teacher.

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[quote name='Bwood' timestamp='1352769592' post='1996980']
They really haven't played THAT badly, I honestly think Gross is the weakest player on the line when we're completely healthy.

The only reason Gross should be around next season is to be a leader/teacher.
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Hangartner is, by far, the worst lineman we have.
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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1352769829' post='1996989']

Hangartner is, by far, the worst lineman we have.
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True, but I'm really disappointed in Gross

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Gross is not a leader at all. Furthest from it actually.

He is babied by the coaching staff and has been since his extension.

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Line.

WR's.

HC/OC.

Problems solved.

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Heres more on that from pff....

Heres a brand new sortable stat they have "called time in the pocket"

Cam has the 3rd most time of any qb to throw at an average of 3.04 seconds per snap. Granted that stat could be skewed by his scrambling ability.

He's 11th in the league in most time to throw before being sacked at 3.52 seconds.

4th in the league before deciding to scramble at 5.46 seconds

Number 1 in percentage of plays with 2.6 or more seconds to throw (65%) and conversely has the smallest percent of snaps with less than 2.5 seconds to throw(35%)

He holds onto the ball the 3rd longest at 2.77 seconds per attempt

Then heres there under pressure stats

He's under pressure the 9th most at 33.3% and has the 8th most sacks taken while under pressure at 23.1%

Cam also has the worst completion percentage at 38.2% while under pressure.

All that being said I am not down and out on Cam and am fully confident he will rebound from this bullshit offense Chud is running.

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I want Cam to succeed as much as anyone, but I agree that the Cam homers needs to chill. When he messes up, he needs to be called out...that will benefit him actually

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If you actually think Cam HASN't been under pressure, then you're truly delusional. You ONLY post after a loss, you're a senior member here. Who's a COWARD to post with his real account.
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To your point, his hit count could be skewered by scrambling too. He buys himself time. Doesn't necessarily count as having time. Not when your recievers are running stupid ass routes and don't get open.

Not justifying Newton by no means. But stats don't always dispell everything
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[quote name='LA_Panther' timestamp='1352770368' post='1997008']
I want Cam to succeed as much as anyone, but I agree that the Cam homers needs to chill. When he messes up, he needs to be called out...that will benefit him actually
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It will. He's starting to realize he's not actually Superman.

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[url="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol"]http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol[/url]

Keep in mind this hasn't updated from this weekend's game yet (we'll drop at least 5 slots on the pass protection list).

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Keep in mind he's also using "hits" as the barometer for pressure, rather than actual pressures themselves.

Hits. On a 6'6 250 mobile QB. That's what he is basing his argument off of.
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[quote name='panther4life' timestamp='1352770303' post='1997004']
Heres more on that from pff....

Heres a brand new sortable stat they have "called time in the pocket"

Cam has the 3rd most time of any qb to throw at an average of 3.04 seconds per snap. Granted that stat could be skewed by his scrambling ability.

He's 11th in the league in most time to throw before being sacked at 3.52 seconds.

4th in the league before deciding to scramble at 5.46 seconds

Number 1 in percentage of plays with 2.6 or more seconds to throw (65%) and conversely has the smallest percent of snaps with less than 2.5 seconds to throw(35%)

He holds onto the ball the 3rd longest at 2.77 seconds per attempt

Then heres there under pressure stats

He's under pressure the 9th most at 33.3% and has the 8th most sacks taken while under pressure at 23.1%

Cam also has the worst completion percentage at 38.2% while under pressure.

All that being said I am not down and out on Cam and am fully confident he will rebound from this bullshit offense Chud is running.
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Love it man !!!

The blind and "in love" on this forum will continue to fall back on the "statistics don't matter because Cam is mobile" nonsense...

conveinently forgetting how many other "mobile quarterbacks" there are in the NFL these days...

How mobile is Newton really, when it is a straight pass play???

I saw a 23 year old QB yesterday who largely made no attempt to escape pressure at all...

Zero pocket awareness and a seeming inability to just throw the football away...

Gonna get sacked in your own end zone after clutching the ball for 6 to 7 seconds???

Oh, well...
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Who the hell makes a thread then signs in to their other account just to "like" the post?
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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1352771021' post='1997027']
Love it man !!!

The blind and "in love" on this forum will continue to fall back on the "statistics don't matter because Cam is mobile" nonsense...

conveinently forgetting how many other "mobile quarterbacks" there are in the NFL these days...

How mobile is Newton really, when it is a straight pass play???

I saw a 23 year old QB yesterday who largely made no attempt to escape pressure at all...

Zero pocket awareness and a seeming inability to just throw the football away...

Gonna get sacked in your own end zone???

Oh, well...
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If Cam had thrown the ball away in the endzone it would have been a safety anyway. Kinda like how Matt Ryan didn't throw the ball away when he was sacked in our endzone last year, a safety>>turnover.

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[url="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321111029"]http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321111029[/url]

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Cam Newton was put under duress, hit or sacked on 19 of his 45 dropbacks (42.2 pct) in Sunday's game. That's the highest single-game percentage and total for Newton this season, and the highest number of dropbacks under pressure the Broncos defense has forced in a game this season. Newton was sacked seven times, tied for fourth most in a game this season, and finished 1-of-9 for 8 yards and an interception when under duress.
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WTF SCAM
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Who is this douche bag? His rhetoric seems familiar.

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[quote name='Sloth' timestamp='1352771491' post='1997037']
[url="http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321111029"]http://scores.espn.g...ameId=321111029[/url]



WTF SCAM
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Everyone knows by now that Cam Newton is terrible under pressure and terrible in obvious passing situations...

What everyone DOESN'T know is that he is put under duress far less frequently than MANY QB's in the NFL...including some VERY mobile rookies....ALL of whom are playing better than he is...

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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1352771021' post='1997027']
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How mobile is Newton really, when it is a straight pass play???

I saw a 23 year old QB yesterday who largely made no attempt to escape pressure at all...
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This is the part that really bothered me yesterday. I think Cam is and can be mobile, but for some reason he seams like he doesnt want to just tuck the ball away and go. It almost like he is trying to hard to not do that. I think all of this will and can solve itself, if and when we get a new staff in here. I think Newton would actually be a better QB if they stopped having in him shotgun the whole game. Yesterday he does that on first two drives, of which we moved the ball, and then it was back to shotgun every play and all runs when he hands it to the guy next to him.

Cam needs to get better in a lot of areas, but until the other problems on this team are fixed I am nowhere close to be down on Cam and glad we have a QB on our team, whom I feel you can still build on. I feel much better this time around trying to fix this cr*p with him on the roster than when it was Carr, Moore, then Clausen.

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Welcome back TRD.

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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1352772046' post='1997051']
Everyone knows by now that Cam Newton is terrible under pressure and terrible in obvious passing situations...

What everyone DOESN'T know is that he is put under duress far less frequently than MANY QB's in the NFL...including some VERY mobile rookies....ALL of whom are playing better than he is...
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[url="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2012"]http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2012[/url]

Mind you Newton is the beneficiary of a coaching staff that's performed so well it's not going to make it past two years.
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[quote name='CatMan72' timestamp='1352772153' post='1997059']
Welcome back TRD.
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Not sharp enough to be TRD.

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[quote name='Sloth' timestamp='1352772249' post='1997063']

[url="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2012"]http://www.footballo...om/stats/qb2012[/url]

Mind you Newton is the beneficiary of a coaching staff that's performed so well it's not going to make it past two years.
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The decision to go "all in" with Cam Newton has already cost Hurney his job...

And it will almost certainly result in the firing of Rivera and Chudzinski...

This team was built around Cam Newton

The experiment has failed miserably...

I made a thread in my first week on this fourm stating that Cam Newton needed to be treated like Alex Smith.

I was crucified for it...

Guess what???

It was the truth then.

And it is the truth now.

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why

do you

hit enter

so often

it's fuging pain

stop it

you asshat

also I'd like to see what cam could do with a run game and a WR2 that can get out of coverage more than twice a game.
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