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The Myth of Cam Newton under pressure dispelled


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#37 nosuchthingasapanther

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:33 PM

And by the way, I have no problem criticizing Cam's play when it's warranted. It is just a bit ridiculous to try to make the point that he has a relatively clean pocket compared to his peers.

Yesterday, Cam did have a largely clean pocket for the first few series. He did have to scramble once, and was sacked once during our first possession, but it was much better than later in the game. So how did he perform early on? He completed his first 6 passes.

I want to see Cam get proper coaching and an o-line that isn't on their heels all day. If he can't get the job done with those 2 things, then yeah, let's start talking about where we are. But to do so now? It's nuts.


just because cam completed his passes, doesn't mean he isn't holding onto the ball too long...it could mean the oline actually held up an extra second or so.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:34 PM

Just being concise, don't ya know...

The raw data is available, but no matter how much data is presented, the true believers won't believe.

Carolina has not attempted few enough pass attempts to seriously scew the statistics...far from it...

Why don't YOU present a case for Cam Newton being one of the most pressured QB's in the NFL??

But please, base the case on verifiable FACT and not homer fan hyperbole...


See Maine's post....

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

my eyes show me that more times than some fans are willing to admit, newton is holding onto the ball too long.

my mouth screams what my eyes show me.

my son's ears can verify the information that my eyes and mouth relay.


Yes, he does without a doubt hold the ball too long. How much of that is due to slow developing routes and how much is indecision is open for debate.

I think he's become so afraid of throwing interceptions that he is becoming timid about throwing into tight windows.

One other thing I've noticed...some of the overthrows (not all, just some) are in fact him just throwing the ball away because he sees a defender come into his vision at the last second. That's not entirely unique to him. Many QB's do the same thing by throwing the ball short and into the dirt.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

TonyN = PFFL.

Same trolling poo as last year. His stupid little forum he tried to create and promote and no one went to left him sad and lonely.

Now that Cam is playing less than great he has come back to try and feel better about himself.

These arguments are the same as they have been and they usually don't hold up under closer scrutiny.



It's really quite funny how paranoid and delusional you have become Teeray. Been having a blast reading some of your posts here every now and then, even noticed someone follow me around other forums and copying my posts to put them here. It's especially funny accusing numerous new posters that disagree with you, of being me. So let me just speak up for Tony. He's not me no matter how bad you want him to be!

Ask Zod. Or any of the other mods. They have IP addresses. TonyN has his own mind and it just happens to disagree with you. Stop using your same old tricks of turning others on posters like TonyN who disagree with you.

And for the record, the forum didn't fail for any other reason other than the fact I realized I'm just not as big enough of a fan of the Panthers to support this team at times like this and have much respect for Zod for putting up with it, and especially with posters, like you!

Just not cut out for it.

But seriously, you need something else other than your typical trolling behavior to stir up your buddies and gang up on unsuspecting new members. It's sad. Haven't you noticed a lot of the good, old time, posters disappeared? Mav, TRD, etc....gone....why do you think that is? They gave up on your bullshit routine.

PS: Did you check this team's offensive efficency this year btw? 26th...and dropping. 28th net overall. What? Having a problem blaming it all on the defense this year?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

And by the way, I have no problem criticizing Cam's play when it's warranted. It is just a bit ridiculous to try to make the point that he has a relatively clean pocket compared to his peers.

Yesterday, Cam did have a largely clean pocket for the first few series. He did have to scramble once, and was sacked once during our first possession, but it was much better than later in the game. So how did he perform early on? He completed his first 6 passes.

I want to see Cam get proper coaching and an o-line that isn't on their heels all day. If he can't get the job done with those 2 things, then yeah, let's start talking about where we are. But to do so now? It's nuts.



It is not "NUTS" to point out how poorly your second year quarterback is playing when a reactionary fan base is screaming for everyone's head EXCEPT his...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

Those numbers seem largely valid, though Newton takes more sacks than are necessary, as most young quarterbacks do.



I won't and can't argue, that Newton doesn't hold the ball more then most. A recent Pff article proves as much. However, the argument in this thread is the performance of the line. And the statistics show they leave much to be desired.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:41 PM

Just being concise, don't ya know...

The raw data is available, but no matter how much data is presented, the true believers won't believe.

Carolina has not attempted few enough pass attempts to seriously scew the statistics...far from it...

Why don't YOU present a case for Cam Newton being one of the most pressured QB's in the NFL??

But please, base the case on verifiable FACT and not homer fan hyperbole...

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Advanced statistics are more factual than raw data

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:43 PM

It is not "NUTS" to point out how poorly your second year quarterback is playing when a reactionary fan base is screaming for everyone's head EXCEPT his...


I haven't heard you comment on the joke of a run game Carolina has......I'm sure that has nothing to do with Cam struggling. Tell me, how many yards per game do our RBs average vs the rest of the league?

But tell me more about Cams's sophomore slump.....and how the leagues worst ground attack (by RBs) isn't a much bigger issue (on a team with comically more invested their than anyone else)

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:44 PM

It is not "NUTS" to point out how poorly your second year quarterback is playing when a reactionary fan base is screaming for everyone's head EXCEPT his...



I'll give you some advice TonyN. Don't try to argue stats with that guy. Not only does he have an issue actually understanding them, but he will shamelessly try to change the definitions or acknowledge others to suit his argument.

Then he will have 4-5 of his buddies call you many different names and try to bash you into submission.

Take my word for it. Save yourself the time. Not worth it.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:47 PM

I won't and can't argue, that Newton doesn't hold the ball more then most. A recent Pff article proves as much. However, the argument in this thread is the performance of the line. And the statistics show they leave much to be desired.


I have never argued that the Carolina offensive line was "good". Far from it.

But it is NOT the worst in the NFL.

And Cam Newton's problems cannot be wholly or even mainly blamed on it.

It is football and many factors are in play, obviously.

It just gets my goat a little when I see "jailbreak on every play", "worst offensive line in football", "stupidist coaching staff ever assembled", etc, etc, repeated by the members of this forum...all in defense of a second year quarterback who is playing VERY poorly at this point in his career and compounding that poor play with incredilby bad judgement off the field...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

I have never argued that the Carolina offensive line was "good". Far from it.

But it is NOT the worst in the NFL.

And Cam Newton's problems cannot be wholly or even mainly blamed on it.

It is football and many factors are in play, obviously.

It just gets my goat a little when I see "jailbreak on every play", "worst offensive line in football", "stupidist coaching staff ever assembled", etc, etc, repeated by the members of this forum...all in defense of a second year quarterback who is playing VERY poorly at this point in his career and compounding that poor play with incredilby bad judgement off the field...


Look at the rushing numbers of our RBs vs the league......and tell me again this coaching staff and OL aren't comically awful.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:49 PM

It is not "NUTS" to point out how poorly your second year quarterback is playing when a reactionary fan base is screaming for everyone's head EXCEPT his...


That's not what I see.

I see a rather large group of people, largely made up of those that hated the selection of Newton in the first place, trying to pin the majority of our problems on him. And that's the part that gets me. They disappear when he plays well, and they come out in force when he has a bad game.

My stance is based on the fact that no one is playing well on offense. No one. Byron Bell has looked much better, and Olsen's had his moments, but that's it. When one whole side of the ball is underperforming (both run game and passing game) that's not the QB. That is coaching and scheme. Unless of course you think we have the worst players in the league on O and I don't believe that.