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#61 CRA

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:35 PM

Yes and the teams who can actually do that have quarterbacks named Brady, Rodgers or Manning. Or maybe a defense like the Bears. And even then, it happens rarely.

Teams don't win regularly in the NFL when they lose the turnover battle. Never have. Never will. They get lucky sometimes and come back, but most of the times, they end up just like the Panthers. Losers.

Btw, not throwing an interception, doesn't mean you played perfect or mistake free. It just means you are doing what you are supposed to do. There's a big difference between quarterbacks who pass 40-50 times a game and throw an interception and quarterbacks who manage to throw 2 while throwing less than 30 times a game.

The guy with 50 passing attempts can get away with it and still win.


Changing the stat.....now you are referencing losing the turnover battle. Your stat was the Cam throwing a pick stat. QBs win all the time throwing a pick.

Lets use Andy Dalton as the example, he isn't Peyton Manning nor does he throw 50 times a game nor does he have a comically high scoring D.

7 wins in his short career throwing at least 1 INT. One shy of Newton's 8 total wins.

Difference is, Bengals play 3 phases.....not 1. QB can make mistakes.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:42 PM

Changing the stat.....now you are referencing losing the turnover battle. Your stat was the Cam throwing a pick stat. QBs win all the time throwing a pick.

Lets use Andy Dalton as the example, he isn't Peyton Manning nor does he throw 50 times a game nor does he have a comically high scoring D.

7 wins in his short career throwing at least 1 INT. One shy of Newton's 8 total wins.

Difference is, Bengals play 3 phases.....not 1. QB can make mistakes.

And yet he still doesn't understand why he isn't taken seriously and why he got banned. -_-

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:43 PM

Changing the stat.....now you are referencing losing the turnover battle. Your stat was the Cam throwing a pick stat. QBs win all the time throwing a pick.

Lets use Andy Dalton as the example, he isn't Peyton Manning nor does he throw 50 times a game nor does he have a comically high scoring D.

7 wins in his short career throwing at least 1 INT. One shy of Newton's 8 total wins.

Difference is, Bengals play 3 phases.....not 1. QB can make mistakes.



Throwin A pick and having an efficient turnover % are two completely different things.

And just for the record, Cam was at 3.3% interception to pass efficiency last year averaging 32 attempts per game. He's at 3.7% this year, averaging 30. So less attempts, even worse efficiency. He also has 1 more fumble already than he had all of last year.

You just cant win with that kind of turnover problem. Especially when your touchdown to turnover ratio is negative.

And go ahead and look at Andy. Last year he had a 2.5% interception %. They had a winning record and made the playoffs. This year he's having similar issues like Cam. He's averaging 3.5%. They're 4-5.

It's just a fact of football.

You can't beat that one unless your defense's name is Pittsburgh, Chicago or Seattle. No balanced or offense driven team can win like that.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:51 PM

Throwin A pick and having an efficient turnover % are two completely different things.

And just for the record, Cam was at 3.3% interception to pass efficiency last year averaging 32 attempts per game. He's at 3.7% this year, averaging 30. So less attempts, even worse efficiency. He also has 1 more fumble already than he had all of last year.

You just cant win with that kind of turnover problem. Especially when your touchdown to turnover ratio is negative.

And go ahead and look at Andy. Last year he had a 2.5% interception %. They had a winning record and made the playoffs. This year he's having similar issues like Cam. He's averaging 3.5%. They're 4-5.

It's just a fact of football.

You can't beat that one unless your defense's name is Pittsburgh, Chicago or Seattle. No balanced or offense driven team can win like that.


Giants this year. Play 3 phases.

4 of 6 wins Eli has at least 1 INT. 3.0%. There are more examples as well....

Carolina plays 1 phase.....2 are dormant a game. Can't win in the NFL like that unless you have a HOFer in his prime.

But again, I was responding to your Cam throws a single pick we lose stat.....

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:55 PM

After a certain level of bad play the specific ranking shouldn't matter. The fact that its only the around 28th best and not 32nd is a pretty small point to make. Most people are not arguing that its literally the worst, but bad enough to be a big factor in poor offensive performance. Which given the stats is true.

The fact is Newton is a 2nd year Qb dealing with a lackluster line and underachieving ground game. That doesn't mean he's blameless. But with context like that its not hard to see why few think Newton is the biggest issue.



Can you post a link to your numbers? They are not checking out with NFL stats that are available from other sites...Especially your rankings...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:56 PM

Throwin A pick and having an efficient turnover % are two completely different things.

And just for the record, Cam was at 3.3% interception to pass efficiency last year averaging 32 attempts per game. He's at 3.7% this year, averaging 30. So less attempts, even worse efficiency. He also has 1 more fumble already than he had all of last year.

You just cant win with that kind of turnover problem. Especially when your touchdown to turnover ratio is negative.

And go ahead and look at Andy. Last year he had a 2.5% interception %. They had a winning record and made the playoffs. This year he's having similar issues like Cam. He's averaging 3.5%. They're 4-5.

It's just a fact of football.

You can't beat that one unless your defense's name is Pittsburgh, Chicago or Seattle. No balanced or offense driven team can win like that.


in 2007 Eli Manning won a Super Bowl with a INT% of 3.8%. Soooo you want to rethink "fact of football" statement?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:57 PM

Giants this year. Play 3 phases.

4 of 6 wins Eli has at least 1 INT. 3.0%.

Carolina plays 1 phase.....2 are dormant a game. Can't win in the NFL like that unless you have a HOFer in his prime.



And that's about the limit CRA. Just about every winning team has a QB with an interception % between 2.5, and 3% at the most.

And let's not act like the Giants don't have an elite defense. They do too. Not to mention, Eli also has a postive TD/TO ratio.

Heck even teams with great defenses need that to win. Look at Joe Flacco:

http://www.carolinah...ed/page__st__30

He's hardly considered elite. But he is one of the winningest QB's in the NFL because his career int% is 2.3%. One of the best there is. Look at any consistently winning team. That's what you will see. Brady, Manning, etc. They all have that stat under control. That stat will be at 3 or under. Most of them hover around 2.5% because in today's NFL, thats where you have to be.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:58 PM

Yeah, Cam is the problem... LOL

Please GTFO.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:59 PM

If you were at the game, you would realize it is a combination of line play, quarterback play, and receiver/tight end play. The line needs to hold up, Cam needs to be more away and get the ball out quicker, but most importantly we have to run good routes and get open. There were very few times that I saw a wide receiver open this past week, it was embarrassing.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:00 PM

Those stats mean jack compared to the game we just witnessed. I live in the now. They sucked Sunday. I can care less what the average is of the season, because the average of every thing is that they lose.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

Years in which Brett Favre had INT% over 3.5% while in GB:

1993: 4.6% 9-7
1998: 4.2% 11-5
1999: 3.9% 8-8
2003: 4.5% 10-6
2005: 4.8% 4-12

LOL fact of football

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

And that's about the limit CRA. Just about every winning team has a QB with an interception % between 2.5, and 3% at the most.

And let's not act like the Giants don't have an elite defense. They do too. Not to mention, Eli also has a postive TD/TO ratio.

Heck even teams with great defenses need that to win. Look at Joe Flacco:

http://www.carolinah...ed/page__st__30

He's hardly considered elite. But he is one of the winningest QB's in the NFL because his career int% is 2.3%. One of the best there is. Look at any consistently winning team. That's what you will see. Brady, Manning, etc. They all have that stat under control. That stat will be at 3 or under. Most of them hover around 2.5% because in today's NFL, thats where you have to be.


Giants have an elite DL.....not elite defense. They are a matchup nightmare for a few teams. Often teams, have little issue with that D. See this year and last year for your examples.

Eli has 12 TDs and 11INTs. A pick away from being even. Just like Andrew Luck, who has only one more TD pass than INT (and just like Eli the bulk of his winning record has come from games he has a pick).

One game can flip that ratio the opposite way.

Also, when evaluating Newton last year it is intellectually dishonest to ignore his 35 TDs vs 19 turnovers. He plays the game too differently.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:09 PM

Years in which Brett Favre had INT% over 3.5% while in GB:

1993: 4.6% 9-7
1998: 4.2% 11-5
1999: 3.9% 8-8
2003: 4.5% 10-6
2005: 4.8% 4-12

LOL fact of football

Jake Delhomme took Carolina to the Superbowl and went toe to toe with NE.

2003 - 3.6%

We played 3 phases in 2003. O, D and ST.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:13 PM

Jake Delhomme took Carolina to the Superbowl and went toe to toe with NE.

2003 - 3.6%

We played 3 phases in 2003. O, D and ST.

Plus we went 11-5 in 2005 and his INT% was 3.7

It is a fact of football. Except that it isn't.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:13 PM

Years in which Brett Favre had INT% over 3.5% while in GB:

1993: 4.6% 9-7
1998: 4.2% 11-5
1999: 3.9% 8-8
2003: 4.5% 10-6
2005: 4.8% 4-12

LOL fact of football


Firs of all, that is the exception to the rule. Show me ONE winning QB in today's NFL with that type of interception %. One.

Btw, how many rings did Farve get in his 13 years by slinging it carelessly like that?

And for the reord, Bret Favre's years leading up to his Super Bowl? 2.4%, 2.3%, 2.4% 1994, 1995, 1996

After that it was all down hill. Except his best year with the Vikings. His int %? 1.3%

But I know you are always using selective stats...

Look man, I don't really care how much you twist your numbers to defend him. You have an agenda to win with Cam Newton. My only agenda is winning, period. It doesn't matter how hard you try. That W-L column will NEVER, EVER, EVER change unless those numbers change.

We will be a losing team for as long as that efficiency is that piss poor.


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