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[Panthro]

He said PEACEFUL

It cannot be peaceful.

If 51% are for secession what are we to do with the other 49%? Are you going to make them leave? Are they not still citizens of the United States?

If you want to pretend then I will impale every fuging terrorist/secessionist with poison tipped unicorn horns.

[Inimicus]

He said PEACEFUL

If you believe that the US Government would allow Ft Bragg, Ft Hood, or any other military installation to fall into the hands of a foreign government you are completely insane.

It would not be peaceful. No how no way.

If the secessionists were "peaceful" then they would not be successful.

[Panthro]

leaving would be as easy as a 10 hour move if you were so inclined in the worst case scenarios. as of right now, leaving for a republic espousing ideals held by the constitution or a close variant thereof is virtually nonexistent these days. moving to a democratic socialist regime would be infinitely easier by comparison. again, the option to move would likely be far easier than moving to canada or mexico

I'm thinking we can set up a reservation system for those that want to secede. We can ship them there and they can live off the land and fend for themselves.

We can put a fence up to make sure secessionists don't illegally come into our country. Make them pay tariffs. All sorts of fun stuff.

[Davidson Deac II]

He said PEACEFUL

If they want to sit in their front yard and sing Kumbayah all day long, then no one is going to bother them anyway, because they would be largely irrelevant. But if there were to be an active successful sucessionist movement, then it couldn't be peaceful. As the others are saying, there is no such thing as a peaceful successful secessionist.

[twylyght]

It cannot be peaceful.

If 51% are for secession what are we to do with the other 49%? Are you going to make them leave? Are they not still citizens of the United States?

If you want to pretend then I will impale every fuging terrorist/secessionist with poison tipped unicorn horns.

again, if secession was a reality, then it wouldn't be anything close to a 50-50 split (hence the severe improbability). such a circumstance would only exist with a 10% minority at best with the likelihood of mass migrations across borders both ways. there could even be resources dedicated for both nations for relocation purposes as real estate agents would love the boons to their businesses.

i realize you are trying hard to reject the premise to derail the intent of the OP, but the fact of the matter is that this notion has gained steam in the past decade. it certainly isn't a reality now, but it could become much closer to one as the dollar tanks with runaway inflation in the coming decades.

[twylyght]

If they want to sit in their front yard and sing Kumbayah all day long, then no one is going to bother them anyway, because they would be largely irrelevant. But if there were to be an active successful sucessionist movement, then it couldn't be peaceful. As the others are saying, there is no such thing as a peaceful successful secessionist.

i beg to differ. if someone objects to paying taxes on the grounds of the unconstitutionality of federal expenditure of funds, they get jail time. there is no such thing as an optional tax where the government sees fit to impose its will.

[thatlookseasy]

again, if secession was a reality, then it wouldn't be anything close to a 50-50 split (hence the severe improbability). such a circumstance would only exist with a 10% minority at best with the likelihood of mass migrations across borders both ways. there could even be resources dedicated for both nations for relocation purposes as real estate agents would love the boons to their businesses.

i realize you are trying hard to reject the premise to derail the intent of the OP, but the fact of the matter is that this notion has gained steam in the past decade. it certainly isn't a reality now, but it could become much closer to one as the dollar tanks with runaway inflation in the coming decades.

Your premise is wrong, dont complain when people correct you

[Inimicus]

leaving would be as easy as a 10 hour move if you were so inclined in the worst case scenarios. as of right now, leaving for a republic espousing ideals held by the constitution or a close variant thereof is virtually nonexistent these days. moving to a democratic socialist regime would be infinitely easier by comparison. again, the option to move would likely be far easier than moving to canada or mexico

And this new government is going to buy my property and pay my moving expenses? For that matter since half of the population of the states in question may well be dead set against this and could constitute a mass exodus I guess this new government is going to have to pay me a whole lot more so that I can afford a home in the new, smaller, and vastly overcrowded USA.


I mean you did say peaceful.

Otherwise you are going to have a helluva fight on your hands when you try to take half of the populations homes without reasonable recompense.

[twylyght]

If you are peacefully seceding than what is stopping everyone else from ignoring you?

government wants its "revenues"

[twylyght]

Your premise is wrong, dont complain when people correct you

explain to me where my own hypothetical is wrong

[twylyght]

And this new government is going to buy my property and pay my moving expenses? For that matter since half of the population of the states in question may well be dead set against this and could constitute a mass exodus I guess this new government is going to have to pay me a whole lot more so that I can afford a home in the new, smaller, and vastly overcrowded USA.


I mean you did say peaceful.

Otherwise you are going to have a helluva fight on your hands when you try to take half of the populations homes without reasonable recompense.

again, as stated before. not a 50-50 split within the seceeding states.

[Panthers_Lover]

It cannot be peaceful.

If 51% are for secession what are we to do with the other 49%? Are you going to make them leave? Are they not still citizens of the United States?

If you want to pretend then I will impale every fuging terrorist/secessionist with poison tipped unicorn horns.

I'm not arguing for (or against) any of the movement ... just reiterating what the OP posted.

[Davidson Deac II]

i beg to differ. if someone objects to paying taxes on the grounds of the unconstitutionality of federal expenditure of funds, they get jail time. there is no such thing as an optional tax where the government sees fit to impose its will.

No one goes to jail for objecting to paying taxes on whatever grounds they present. You are free to object to paying them, as long as you pay them. They go to jail because they don't pay taxes, and that is against the law, has nothing to do with seccession.

[twylyght]

If you believe that the US Government would allow Ft Bragg, Ft Hood, or any other military installation to fall into the hands of a foreign government you are completely insane.

It would not be peaceful. No how no way.

If the secessionists were "peaceful" then they would not be successful.

you talk as if the people of the federal government exist to serve the government. if this is indeed a "united states" surely the land is rented and not owned by the federal government?

[stirs]

Just a note that if it were the libruhls wanting to secede they would be quickly labeled by conservative nut jobs as traitors.

Nah, but there would be a long line of volunteers to help with the packing of bags