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#11 Panthro

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:36 AM

assuming that the secession movement is peaceful, they can stay or leave as they choose. if it is to the point of secesion, then they would be a small enough minority unable to sway the majority otherwise. no violence. simply an option presented of stay and bear with a new republic, or leave for the known of the old republic.

an option for a peaceful secession does not preclude an amicable break-up. simply a parting of ways for irreconcilable differences


So those loyal to the United States would have to leave. But when countered with why don't you leave if you hate it here so much I hear a lot of posturing and excuses.

Interesting.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:39 AM

Just a note that if it were the libruhls wanting to secede they would be quickly labeled by conservative nut jobs as traitors.


i've yet to hear anyone decry new york's petition for secession as "nutcase" by right wing radio. when kerry lost, even limbaugh had no issues with them leaving. i get the impression that he'd have no issue with liberal states wanting to do so wholesale. he'd certainly carry on with usual snark as do his liberal counterparts, but he struck me as the kind of guy to say "the hell with them".

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:41 AM

First of all, none of this is going to happen. Some who didn't like the election results are just venting, and it will be mostly forgotten except by a few nutjobs in a few months. This isn't 1861, not by a long shot.

That being said, I would definitely be willing to fight against someone who would take up arms against the US as things stand now.


He said PEACEFUL

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:45 AM

Seriously though, do we need 2 secession topics? I realize you guys are having fun with your stupid hypothetical situations, but I think 1 thread is enough

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:46 AM

So those loyal to the United States would have to leave. But when countered with why don't you leave if you hate it here so much I hear a lot of posturing and excuses.

Interesting.


leaving would be as easy as a 10 hour move if you were so inclined in the worst case scenarios. as of right now, leaving for a republic espousing ideals held by the constitution or a close variant thereof is virtually nonexistent these days. moving to a democratic socialist regime would be infinitely easier by comparison. again, the option to move would likely be far easier than moving to canada or mexico

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:47 AM

He said PEACEFUL



It cannot be peaceful.

If 51% are for secession what are we to do with the other 49%? Are you going to make them leave? Are they not still citizens of the United States?

If you want to pretend then I will impale every fuging terrorist/secessionist with poison tipped unicorn horns.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:49 AM

He said PEACEFUL



If you believe that the US Government would allow Ft Bragg, Ft Hood, or any other military installation to fall into the hands of a foreign government you are completely insane.

It would not be peaceful. No how no way.

If the secessionists were "peaceful" then they would not be successful.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:53 AM

leaving would be as easy as a 10 hour move if you were so inclined in the worst case scenarios. as of right now, leaving for a republic espousing ideals held by the constitution or a close variant thereof is virtually nonexistent these days. moving to a democratic socialist regime would be infinitely easier by comparison. again, the option to move would likely be far easier than moving to canada or mexico

I'm thinking we can set up a reservation system for those that want to secede. We can ship them there and they can live off the land and fend for themselves.

We can put a fence up to make sure secessionists don't illegally come into our country. Make them pay tariffs. All sorts of fun stuff.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:55 AM

He said PEACEFUL


If they want to sit in their front yard and sing Kumbayah all day long, then no one is going to bother them anyway, because they would be largely irrelevant. But if there were to be an active successful sucessionist movement, then it couldn't be peaceful. As the others are saying, there is no such thing as a peaceful successful secessionist.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:56 AM

It cannot be peaceful.

If 51% are for secession what are we to do with the other 49%? Are you going to make them leave? Are they not still citizens of the United States?

If you want to pretend then I will impale every fuging terrorist/secessionist with poison tipped unicorn horns.


again, if secession was a reality, then it wouldn't be anything close to a 50-50 split (hence the severe improbability). such a circumstance would only exist with a 10% minority at best with the likelihood of mass migrations across borders both ways. there could even be resources dedicated for both nations for relocation purposes as real estate agents would love the boons to their businesses.

i realize you are trying hard to reject the premise to derail the intent of the OP, but the fact of the matter is that this notion has gained steam in the past decade. it certainly isn't a reality now, but it could become much closer to one as the dollar tanks with runaway inflation in the coming decades.


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