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#101 rayzor

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

Here is the bottom line guys. We all would love to see Kelly as the Panthers next HC. But a few things stand in our way. For one Ron Rivera has a chance of been here next year despite the bad record he could have by the season end. And the biggest issue is getting Chip Kelly himself here. There will be a half dozen teams besides us most likely going after Chip this offseason. I'm sure our team ain't going to look good to Kelly right now. Kelly is going to want to go to a team that has best talent and chances of winning right away. But first thing is hoping JR fires Ron after the season end. That is the first step. Then the biggest step of all is fighting with a half dozen other teams to get him a long process as well. Because Kelly is going to be number 1 guy on the top of their list come the offseason.

some things that might help.

i'm sure that kelly knows what cam newton is capable of. after all, it was cam's auburn team that beat kelly's team in the natl championship a couple years back. i don't doubt that kelly scouted him a lot and i think he knows that cam would essentially be the prototype QB for what he likes to do and can certainly handle the pace of offense that kelly requires.

also...as bad as our record is, last year we had a top 10 offense and this year it's pretty obvious that we'll end up with at least a top 15 defense...pushing top 10.

there's a lot of talent on this team. what it doesn't have is someone knowing how to bring it all together.

we may finish around the bottom this year, but this team is better or at least more talented than most who will be looking for a HC.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:45 AM

Here is the bottom line guys. We all would love to see Kelly as the Panthers next HC.


That is not even close to being true.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 01:53 AM

That is not even close to being true.

Not drinking the kool aid yet I see and I agree.

He may work out, there's no way of knowing without knowing the guy personally. But with all the attention he gets (and deservedly so in some aspects) there are many red flags with Chip.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:00 AM

I agree, Bellicheat isn't exactly media friendly.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:43 AM

I agree, Bellicheat isn't exactly media friendly.

sean payton is pretty much considered an egotistical prick to the media. aside from him not having the balls to shut down the whole pay for pain bounty crap, there's no doubt that he's been a good and successful coach. there's a pretty good line of coaches who aren't media friendly and a big ol' line of coaches who suck, but do great with the media. one has absolutely no bearing on the other.

i think it might suck to be "out of the loop" with what's really going on, but i'd rather win. if the coach is considered a prick by people outside the team and our QB was pretty much hated by the media (which is the case) but we were consistent winners i would be loving it.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

That is not even close to being true.

yeah...agreed here. i'm on board, but i'm not stupid enough to think it's anywhere close to the consensus favorite. that not having pro experience is scaring a lot of people off and will probably scare off the FO, though it shouldn't...at least it shouldn't prevent them from even taking a hard and open minded look at him. the upside with what he does is too great to not look at him.

imo, it's kind of like the whole pre-draft newton discussion. he had pretty much everything you could want in a franchise QB, except experience in a "pro-style" system. what we saw, though, was that he was quite capable of handling anything throw his way (except for very inept offensive playcalling that is incredibly predictable which is what we had under davidson).

"pro-style" is a very overrated mindset and is starting to see a decline in usage at the pro level. there is no true system that is the official system of the NFL. QBs spend more time in the shotgun than ever before and many teams are using the spread and are incredibly successful with it. the game is changing...again. the mark of a great coach is being able to adapt what he does to the personnel he has and to what will make the team competitive. imo, what i've seen from chip kelly makes him no less capable of doing that than any other perspective coach the team might hire.

i think the pro-game is evolving and it's starting to look more and more like college than college will be looking like the pros. i'd rather find someone on the front end of that than on the back end which would be some old school "pro-style" HC.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:22 AM

yeah...agreed here. i'm on board, but i'm not stupid enough to think it's anywhere close to the consensus favorite. that not having pro experience is scaring a lot of people off and will probably scare off the FO, though it shouldn't...at least it shouldn't prevent them from even taking a hard and open minded look at him. the upside with what he does is too great to not look at him.

imo, it's kind of like the whole pre-draft newton discussion. he had pretty much everything you could want in a franchise QB, except experience in a "pro-style" system. what we saw, though, was that he was quite capable of handling anything throw his way (except for very inept offensive playcalling that is incredibly predictable which is what we had under davidson).

"pro-style" is a very overrated mindset and is starting to see a decline in usage at the pro level. there is no true system that is the official system of the NFL. QBs spend more time in the shotgun than ever before and many teams are using the spread and are incredibly successful with it. the game is changing...again. the mark of a great coach is being able to adapt what he does to the personnel he has and to what will make the team competitive. imo, what i've seen from chip kelly makes him no less capable of doing that than any other perspective coach the team might hire.

i think the pro-game is evolving and it's starting to look more and more like college than college will be looking like the pros. i'd rather find someone on the front end of that than on the back end which would be some old school "pro-style" HC.


I totally agree with this but my fear is we go with another DC because of Richardson's like for them. Its all dependent on what impression Rivera has set in Richardson's mind.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:31 AM

I totally agree with this but my fear is we go with another DC because of Richardson's like for them. Its all dependent on what impression Rivera has set in Richardson's mind.

true. lack of long term success with both fox and capers as well as the disaster that the rivera era has been may shy him away from that route as well.

at the very least i hope it opens his mind up a bit to other possibilities.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

true. lack of long term success with both fox and capers as well as the disaster that the rivera era has been may shy him away from that route as well.

at the very least i hope it opens his mind up a bit to other possibilities.


My feeling is that Richardson want the nest we can get, he wants to win. That's why he has an outside source scouting for GMs.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 03:00 PM

I honestly just want someone with head coaching experience. I don't care if it's pro or college anymore, I don't want someone else who will have to learn on the job. I've felt like Rivera is in over his head because he's not catching on to all the things a HC has on his plate.

I want a game and player manager. Someone who knows when to call timeouts, knows how to get the best out of his guys, and knows how to hire and fire coordinators to call the plays. That's all we need, honestly.

I don't want someone who is hired just because they have had success as a playcaller/coordinator, because what does that mean exactly on gameday when he's not the one calling the plays? Not much.



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