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#71 TonyN

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:58 PM

http://fishduck.com/...side-zone-read/

If you fear talking out of your ass about a topic ( I realize this applies to a minority of Huddle members), click on the above link.

I am suprised so many wish to bring in a coach whose success is based TOTALLY on a version of the SHOTGUN ZONE READ. LOL..

Will the installation of this offense speed Newty's development into a pro QB ???

If Chip Kelly's practices are so great, why do his defenses ALWAYS suck ??? This is Kelly's best defense at Oregon. They are currently ranked 45th and will almost certainly fall further. Their weak schedule is finally getting a little tougher.

Chip Kelly has zero NFL experience. Not as a player, coach or ball boy.

The only college coach to move to the NFL with no NFL experience and win a Superbowl is Jimmy Johnson.

Look at him:

Johnson appeared in two national championship games (winning one) in 5 years at Miami. His teams were always based on great defense and what, at the time, was quite unusual at the college level: a pro style offense.

Many teams were still running the Wishbone in 1984 when Johnson took over the Miami program!!! Bear Bryant had just retired at Alabama in 1983 !!!

Johnson inheirted and kept almost all of Howard Schnellenberger's staff when he took over at Miami....why is this significant???

Schnellenberger was an NFL coach through and through. He was the OC for the Dolphins during their legendary perfect season of 1972. He succeeded at the college level precisely because he brought the pro style offense to the college game. Almost no one else was doing it. Johnson was bright enough to see that it worked and adopted it.

Following is a list of college "offensive guru's" to succeed at the NFL level:
















Still want to hire Chip Kelly???

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

kelly's starting quarterback completes 69.4% of his passes on third down though.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:06 PM

kelly's starting quarterback completes 69.4% of his passes on third down though.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

lolololol


How do YOU think Kelly's inside zone read based spread option will work at at the NFL level ?...

I am talking X's and O's here...not platitudes...

Quick now... Others will be looking at the time of your post...

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

I sincerely hope, whether we bring in Chip Kelly or not, that one of our top priorities this offseason is fixing this dismal offensive line. Football is won and lost on the lines...our defense is better with our newfound defensive line play. Offense is next.


If we want to build an offense from the line out, I really think Dennison may be the guy we should look to. His job as line coach in Denver and his following stints as OC in mile high and Houston show that he was the reason for the multi-rb success people claim Shanahan was good at. We're talking a line that made the likes of Olindos Gary, Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin, Reuben f*cking Draughns, Selvin Young, and Tatum Bell excel. Not to mention these were the teams that managed to get in the playoffs with Jake Plummer.

And if anyone has seen this guy on the sidelines, he is the exact opposite of Rivera. One of those ra ra high energy types. If anyone can remember back to Elways back-to-back Super Bowls, Dennison was the guy on the sidelines getting the offense together and pretty much jacking everyone up.

Also, if I could slide Cam into any offense in the NFL right now, it would be the Texans with that running game, Owen Daniels, James Casey, and Andre Johnson.

Sorry for being a little off topic...back to Chip Kelly

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:33 PM

i think we tried to sell ourselves on him after we found out what the pool of potential HCs consisted of and then after he was hired.

i know i did.

jim harbaugh was who i wanted more than anyone. i'm finding myself just as much on the chip kelly bandwagon as i was on the harbaugh one.


Well most looked past his obvious red flags and hoped for the best. All those interviews he was passed over for, being fired from the Bears then taking a lesser position with the Chargers before becoming a DC again.

I'm not willing to wait several more years if the next coach is a bust, and I'm sure nobody else here is either.

I too wanted Harbaugh, but unlike Kelly he atleast had history at this level already. Any coaching hire is taking a chance, but after being burned by Fox and now this staff, we can't not be vigilant and not look at all the angles.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

i thought this was interesting. kelly was a huge influence over some changes made by the patriots this year.
from a boston globe article. http://www.bostonglo...rN6J/story.html

If you want to see what’s next on the pro level, look to the colleges. That’s what Belichick does, with his alliances with coaches such as Nick Saban (LSU and Alabama), Urban Meyer (Florida and Ohio State) and, now, Kelly.

That’s why when Kelly walked into Gillette Stadium two years ago — and he’s been there three times total — ears perked up among the Patriots’ coaches, including Belichick.

Kelly had become friendly with former Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O’Brien while both were rising in the college ranks. The UNH coaching staff would visit Brown, where O’Brien was coaching, for pickup basketball games and to talk X’s and O’s.
Kelly told the Patriots he was moving to a no-huddle that only used one word to signify everything involved in a play.

Sideline calls take too long. Wristbands too.

One word is all that is needed.
“The things they’re doing now, they’re even faster,” Dickson said. “They have things where they can call one thing and it’s going to tell them formation, plays, everything, and all you have to see is coverage.”

The collective Patriots’ response to Kelly’s assertion was, basically, “You run an entire offense like that? How do you get the players to comprehend that?”

Kelly declined to be interviewed, but those with knowledge of the discussion said Kelly laid out his rationale.
Players memorize thousands of words in songs, hundreds of movie lines, and many other things involving pop culture.

Why can’t players have instant recall of a handful of concepts? Heck, everybody knows No. 2 on a McDonald’s menu gets you a Quarter Pounder, medium fries, and a drink.

“It’s kind of easy,” Dickson said. “It comes with repetition. A lot of guys learn different. Myself, I just needed to be out there repping those plays. The more comfortable you get, the faster you’ll go. He wants to make it easier to where you’re not thinking about anything, you’re just going fast. Make it as simple as guys can learn it so you can go really fast. That’s the key, making it simple for your players so they can play at top speed.”

Kelly’s overall message to the Patriots: Don’t put a limit on your players’ minds; they will learn whatever you teach them.
“I was interested to hear how he did it,” Belichick said. “I would say he expanded it to a different level and it was very interesting to understand what he was doing. Certainly I’ve learned a lot from talking to Chip about his experiences with it and how he does it and his procedure and all that.”



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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:43 PM

I don't get it. We are trying to get rid of a coach who thought he could revolutionize the league with the read option offense, and now you guys want to bring in a guy who specializes in it? Am I missing something here?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:46 PM

just another thing i saw for those who think that kelly's pigeonholed himself into one particular style of offense (though i don't think he appropriately placed credit, but the comparison is still appropriate)

How much would you have to change your offense? Or does it translate to the NFL?:
“I think some does. No one can be married to one thing, because it’s all personnel-driven. You can say, ‘Hey, we’re going to do this.’ It’s like the Denver Broncos. What John Fox did in Denver with The Golden Calf of Bristol was outstanding because he looked at what he had for a player and said, ‘Hey, we’re going to run this.’ Now, all of a sudden, they have Peyton Manning and they’re not going to run the same plays. … It’s a personnel-driven game and I think the coaches that are the best at it can adapt their systems to the NFL.”
http://sportsradioin...tate-tampa-bay/

he's a smart enough coach to know you can't do the same thing everywhere with every team and expect the same results. "It's a personnel-driven game" says it all.

he runs whatever style of spread there because it works with what he has and it's simple for the players to pick up.

the thing is married to, though, and that is at the core of his whole coaching style isn't in the scheme, but in the philosophy. it's a no huddle, hurry up offense that's built on speed between snaps and pace of game and the aggressiveness of his playcalling.

that is the thing that sets him above everyone else. his offensive scheme will adapt to the personnel he has, but the tempo will remain the same.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:52 PM

I don't get it. We are trying to get rid of a coach who thought he could revolutionize the league with the read option offense, and now you guys want to bring in a guy who specializes in it? Am I missing something here?

if you think that's what he specializes in or is the only thing he specializes in then your missing the boat.

the thing that has killed chud hasn't been him running any particular offense. it's been in him limiting the offense and making it predictable. i mean one thing that is crucial to kelly's offense is the ability of the QB to make audibles on the line. is chud allowing that? kelly's whole offense depends on him and his QBs ability to take advantage of defenses and control what they do. they adapt what they do on the fly and abuse the other team and the pace of game gives the defense very little time to adjust or make necessary personnel changes.

chud goes in with one game plan and makes no adjustments and allows for no changes. he's smart, but very narrow minded in his playcalling.

chip kelly is in a whole other league than chud.



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