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#1 FurdTurgason

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:33 PM

...someone posted this on facebook and I honestly can't give them a good answer.


"Why is a bacterium on Mars considered life when something with a heartbeat here on Earth isn't?"


It's the first time the pro lifers have put it to me in a way that made me think "Hmmmm...."

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:56 PM

I ended a couple heartbeats with dinner tonight.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:06 PM

...someone posted this on facebook and I honestly can't give them a good answer.


"Why is a bacterium on Mars considered life when something with a heartbeat here on Earth isn't?"


It's the first time the pro lifers have put it to me in a way that made me think "Hmmmm...."


Of course it's life. Hell, the sperm & the egg are life too. Still not a person.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:09 PM

such an ironic post bbq

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

such an ironic post bbq


How so?

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:14 PM

just that you have a newborn for your avatar. i know what you mean about life vs person. im a sucker for any shred of irony.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:24 PM

just that you have a newborn for your avatar. i know what you mean about life vs person. im a sucker for any shred of irony.


Ah. Lol. Yeah but he was planned. (For a long time.) But if you really want Irony, I'm adopted. I met my Bio mom when I was 20. She burst into tears when she saw me and then told me she'd tried to abort me... Twice.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:26 PM

Of course it's life. Hell, the sperm & the egg are life too. Still not a person.


Not really, and I've always thought of a fetus as not being an official life until it can live on its own, but the way we fawn over the possibility of life on another planet, even a bacterium, just made me see how differently we treat life here when it's all around (or in) us.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:27 PM

Ah. Lol. Yeah but he was planned. (For a long time.) But if you really want Irony, I'm adopted. I met my Bio mom when I was 20. She burst into tears when she saw me and then told me she'd tried to abort me... Twice.


Now we're swimming in irony, aren't we?

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:49 PM

...someone posted this on facebook and I honestly can't give them a good answer.


"Why is a bacterium on Mars considered life when something with a heartbeat here on Earth isn't?"


It's the first time the pro lifers have put it to me in a way that made me think "Hmmmm...."


"Life" is not the issue. Life begins and ends all around us, and every step you take, you're killing millions of "life" in many different forms. You're constantly inhaling life. You have foreign life in your body right now that your blood cells are attacking and killing to keep you healthy.

The issue is personhood, and the rights that go with it. Do we grant that bacterium on Mars the right to free speech, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Do we give them the vote? No, because they aren't people. Nor are embryos. Future people, yes, but they are not people. Just as a child is a future adult; do we give a child all the same rights as an adult? No, we don't. And we don't give an embryo all the same rights as an adult, or a child, or a person.

If you want to get literal and talk about the actual definition of life and why a bacteria and embryo are different; a bacteria is self sustaining and can reproduce.


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