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#11 BBQ&Beer

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:55 PM

Not really, and I've always thought of a fetus as not being an official life until it can live on its own, but the way we fawn over the possibility of life on another planet, even a bacterium, just made me see how differently we treat life here when it's all around (or in) us.


Yeah, but from a biological definition it's life.

As far as life on Mars, if it were the cutest bunnies ever, yet we discovered they pooped a mineral that you could take 1lb of & it would power a city for 1 year, we'd land on Mars in 2017, force feed them prunes & Exlax, then reduce the planet's mass by 1/3rd just for the hell of it.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:16 AM

Indian woman's death: Debate over legalising abortion flares in Ireland

India, Posted on Nov 15, 2012 at 09:36am IST

Dublin: The debate over legalising abortion in Ireland flared on Wednesday after the government confirmed that a woman in the midst of a miscarriage was refused an abortion and died in an Irish hospital after suffering from blood poisoning. Ireland Prime Minister Enda Kenny said he was awaiting findings from three investigations into the death of Savita Halappanavar, a 31-year-old Indian woman who was 17 weeks pregnant. Her case highlighted the legal limbo in which pregnant women facing severe health problems can find themselves in predominantly Catholic Ireland.

Ireland's constitution officially bans abortion, but a 1992 Supreme Court ruling found the procedure should be legalized for situations when the woman's life is at risk from continuing the pregnancy. Five governments since have refused to pass a law resolving the confusion, leaving Irish hospitals reluctant to terminate pregnancies except in the most obviously life-threatening circumstances.

The vast bulk of Irish women wanting abortions, an estimated 4,000 per year, simply travel next door to England, where abortion has been legal on demand since 1967. But that option is difficult, if not impossible, for women in failing health.

Halappanavar's husband, Praveen, said doctors at University Hospital Galway in western Ireland determined she was miscarrying within hours of her hospitalization for severe pain on Sunday, Oct. 21. He said over the next three days, doctors refused their requests for an abortion to combat her surging pain and fading health.

"Savita was really in agony. She was very upset, but she accepted she was losing the baby," he told The Irish Times in a telephone interview from Belgaum, southwest India. "When the consultant came on the ward rounds on Monday morning, Savita asked if they could not save the baby, could they induce to end the pregnancy? The consultant said: `As long as there is a fetal heartbeat, we can't do anything.' "Again on Tuesday morning ... the consultant said it was the law, that this is a Catholic country. Savita said: 'I am neither Irish nor Catholic' but they said there was nothing they could do," Praveen Halappanavar said.

He said his wife vomited repeatedly and collapsed in a restroom that night, but doctors wouldn't terminate the fetus because its heart was still beating. The fetus died the following day and its remains were surgically removed. Within hours, Savita was placed under sedation in intensive care with blood poisoning and he was never able to speak with her again, her husband said. By Saturday, her heart, kidneys and liver had stopped working. She was pronounced dead early Sunday, Oct. 28.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:25 AM

Twelve posts and no Marvin the Martian pics. Disappointed.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:51 AM

Hypothetical for our tech advances?

What if we found the "gay gene"
What if people were aborting babies at an extremely high rate when finding their baby would be gay
Would there be "rights" attached to them at that point?

#15 g5jamz

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:03 AM

Hate abortions wouldn't be allowed.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:04 AM

I am anti-abortion and pro choice.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:17 AM

Hypothetical for our tech advances?

What if we found the "gay gene"
What if people were aborting babies at an extremely high rate when finding their baby would be gay
Would there be "rights" attached to them at that point?


I suspect a similar approach to pre-natal gender testing in India- it would be illegal to test for

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:19 AM

That was the "hypothetical" umbrella

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:26 AM

Its not really hypothetical, its the exact same situation. Male babies are much more valued, its easy to test for gender (even illegally) and its created a gender gap in India.

Though if they found a gay gene many states would care enough to outlaw abortions because of it. Probably the same states where you can be fired for being gay

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

Hypothetical for our tech advances?

What if we found the "gay gene"
What if people were aborting babies at an extremely high rate when finding their baby would be gay
Would there be "rights" attached to them at that point?


I would hope that no one would choose to abort over something so trivial.

But I will always believe that the government has no business making that choice for people.




Furthermore trying to give rights to a fetus is nothing more than attempting to codify a set of religious beliefs into law and that's a non starter in my book.


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