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#41 mmmbeans

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:42 AM

Sigh. You are missing the point. We get all excited about a BACTERIUM on Mars, a freaking bacterium, something you can't even see with the naked eye. But a fetus with a heartbeat....not so much.

Again, I get that it's not apples and oranges. It just made me think how we take life for granted here on Earth. That's all. Don't read into it more than that.


people don't get excited about abortion? could've fooled me.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:58 AM

As a concept, yes. Day to day? No.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:03 PM

As a concept, yes. Day to day? No.


day to day people care more about space exploration than abortion?

oh yea. good point.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:07 PM

Abortion doesn't affect me personally at all... and I suspect that's why it gets less of a reaction from most people.

I can't imagine a way that abortion would personally affect me now. My wife ain't having no more kids and even if we did by accident (and trust me, it would be a huge freaking accident) abortion wouldn't be an option. My wife wouldn't have one even if her life was in imminent danger, she just wouldn't.

Space exploration on the other hand has the potential to affect our entire species.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:11 PM

day to day people care more about space exploration than abortion?

oh yea. good point.



Thank you.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:14 PM

You know you could make the same sort of statement for the other side, right?

Why do you care so much about a zygote that could potentially someday become a person while you dont give 2 shits about, oh lets say the unmanned US drone strikes in Pakistan that have killed thousands of innocent civilians. Do their lives matter less that those potential lives?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:36 PM

...someone posted this on facebook and I honestly can't give them a good answer.


"Why is a bacterium on Mars considered life when something with a heartbeat here on Earth isn't?"


It's the first time the pro lifers have put it to me in a way that made me think "Hmmmm...."


Good for you to hear something that went against your beliefs and be challenged by it!!! That's awesome! There are a lot of sources you can go to that really examine this deeply complex issue.

I'm pro choice to an extent but I don't value all life. Sperm is alive, like many human cells, and i don't think it's wrong to kill it. The cells being aborted are life, I don't think people are debating that. They debate whether it's human life.

I'm listening to this debate right now on the topic (i will finish the rest of it on my way home from work today so i'm not sure how well it ends)

It's called is abortion murder, its a podcast by Reasonable Doubt

http://freethoughtbl...-murder-debate/

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:59 PM

In the same way that a mother is not required to donate her kidney or some other organ to her child, she is not required to use her body as an incubator if she does not want to. She has total choice at the end of the day. Bodily rights argument.

That being said, I wouldn't want a woman to abort my fetus/future child for any reason. If she did, I'd be heartbroken. However, as already stated, it is her choice to make, as it is her body and not mine.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:23 PM

You know you could make the same sort of statement for the other side, right?

Why do you care so much about a zygote that could potentially someday become a person while you dont give 2 shits about, oh lets say the unmanned US drone strikes in Pakistan that have killed thousands of innocent civilians. Do their lives matter less that those potential lives?


Thought provoking as well.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:49 PM

Why the hell would she tell you she tried to abort your ass twice? How the heck did that come up in the conversation?


Shock. She was nervous about meeting me in the first place. I just asked (through the agency) if there were any genetic medical problems I should worry about & tacked on the end of the message that I'd like to meet if it was ok with her. She replied no to the first & wanted to think about the second so that was that for about a year when she asked to meet.

When she started crying I kept saying it was ok ( I thought that she was afraid I'd be mad because she put me up) & she blurted it out. Something stopped her each time & she decided to not try for 3. Bio dad came back. Paid her prenatal care & that was that. I figured since I wouldn't have known anyway it didn't matter. Besides. No harm no foul.

I still keep in contact but it has to be discrete because her kids don't like me. She married rich & they think I'm a threat to their inheritance.


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