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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:42 PM

I'm more of a fan of the "Brand" and not the players. I know players will come and go, especially now that we're deep in the cap era. Whats best for the shield and not for an individual player.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:43 PM

I think Smith said like 2 years ago he don't mind playing backseat

Hurney failure was not getting a receiver in here all those years

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:57 PM

I think Smith said like 2 years ago he don't mind playing backseat

Hurney failure was not getting a receiver in here all those years


Maybe Smith has something to do with that....

He doesn't mesh with other personalities (Keyshawn) and has largely ignored waves of drafted WRs (Gettis, LaFell, and Edwards) in need of mentoring. Remember our project player responding to a reporter about Smith's help.....saying he got none (then nicely commented that he was sure Smith had plenty on his plate) but Jarrett was quick to help with the learning curve. I mean if you are going to gamble on a guy like Edwards it would be nice of your vet WR took a role in aiding the project instead of relying on DUI Dwyane

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:04 PM

I typically get the, "CRA, you are an idiot" for such thoughts......


I call you an idiot because you make false conclusions to scenerio's where you ignore huge variables. . . that and the fact that you seem to WANT to take the unpopular opinion. Why force it? because the roda less travelled is that much more appealing? Because you feel like conformity is evil?. . that Idk, but I do remember being similar in my college years and sometime after that.

Not so far off from the king daddy, Violentcrez or whatever his name is imo.





Examples of variables I feel that you ignore based on reading your posts for years now:

-impact of leadership
-the psychology of the individual player
-pain
-Athletes' notoriously strong convictions and how they are effected by confidence and fear much more so than the average person.



I really dont bother reading many of your posts these days because Ive just given up trying to explain these things conceptually to you.


edit: I have only one agenda here and in life, "to make better".

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

I'm more of a fan of the "Brand" and not the players. I know players will come and go, especially now that we're deep in the cap era. Whats best for the shield and not for an individual player.



Panthers are going on their 18th season, Steve Smith is going on his 12th season. If Smith was traded, I would be upset, but it would not stop me from being a Panther fan. You being a Skins fan, you have had several players come and go, but Smith by far is the best Panther ever to play the game. So to see Smith traded or retire, it will be a sad day for me...

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:08 PM

We threw out the last original Panther John Kasay and look what we got for it, that bastard Olindo Mare.

Steve is still productive, let him retire when he is ready to do so.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:08 PM

Smitty isn't going anywhere. JR would not allow it.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:12 PM

I call you an idiot because you make false conclusions to scenerio's where you ignore huge variables. . . that and the fact that you seem to WANT to take the unpopular opinion. Why force it? because the roda less travelled is that much more appealing? Because you feel like conformity is evil?. . that Idk, but I do remember being similar in my college years and sometime after that.

Not so far off from the king daddy, Violentcrez or whatever his name is imo.





Examples of variables I feel that you ignore based on reading your posts for years now:

-impact of leadership
-the psychology of the individual player
-pain
-Athletes' notoriously strong convictions and how they are effected by confidence and fear much more so than the average person.



I really dont bother reading many of your posts these days because Ive just given up trying to explain these things conceptually to you.


I don't "want" to take an unpopular opinion nor do I force it.....

I just am not a huge fan of players. I think for the most part they should come and go. That makes me different than many. Very, very few players should retire and spend a career with a franchise. That is the root of many recent opinions of mine.

If I was trying to be different for the sake of being different.....there would be more things you could point to outside of Dwayne Jarrett I have taken a stance on.

But I am fine if you ignore my posts. I enjoy different stances. That is pretty much the point of a board like this....to get different perspectives from people all wanting the same thing ultimately.

But I would be curious for you to elaborate on the impact of leadership comment....

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:14 PM

Smitty isn't going anywhere. JR would not allow it.


People don't realize at this point, Smitty will play and retire as a Panther. He has a couple of years left, maybe one, but he will never play for another team and everyone that thinks that needs to listen up.

Smitty made the choice with his family to stay with the Panthers, find a high school for his son to go to, and raise their kids accordingly.

He's made it clear numerous times that he'll always be a Panther, we can't get rid of him, and he doesn't wanna go anywhere else.

These thoughts are as ridiculous as the "Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire, lap top thief, entertainer icon" poo.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:18 PM

But I would be curious for you to elaborate on the impact of leadership comment....


teams without strong leadership fold quickly

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:27 PM

teams without strong leadership fold quickly

I agree.....and we don't have strongly leadership. I would say we are the poster child for that.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:32 PM

I agree.....and we don't have strongly leadership. I would say we are the poster child for that.


those examples i gave were in order from what I consider to be the lowest to the highest importance. I wouldve hoped that you would take time to consider the last one more than the other 3.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:38 PM

those examples i gave were in order from what I consider to be the lowest to the highest importance. I wouldve hoped that you would take time to consider the last one more than the other 3.

Well, you still listed that one....but fine.

Well, expand more on your most important one. I agree confidence is HUGE in this sport.....and fear IMO is pretty universal and the impact it can have.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:44 PM

Steve Smith is the best WR on this team, by a large margin. He should not, and can not be traded away without a proven replacement in hand. If you do, you hinder the development of our young QB. I just read somewhere that he is one of the league leaders for broken tackles at the WR position.

Would I love to see him leave and have a real chance at a SB run... I think so. Because I've grown to love and respect his game so much, I do want to see him achieve that milestone. I just wish that it could be with my team, and I'm sure he wishes the same. I think that's what drives him. He got a taste early and has been striving for another chance all these years. Fact is, the Panthers aren't that far away - talent wise. With better leadership and a few more playmakers, we're prime for a run. Though I feel, honestly, that we have legitimate playmakers on the bench that could put this team over the top in the areas most needed - Gettis (offense) and Adams (ST).

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

Well, you still listed that one....but fine.

Well, expand more on your most important one. I agree confidence is HUGE in this sport.....and fear IMO is pretty universal and the impact it can have.


I have surgery tomorrow, crooked shnoz is making me snore and get sick too often, I cant elaborate too much at the moment but I will promise to read more of your posts if youre interested in going beyond listening to my perspective.

The concept is this: any man who gets drilled by a guy 3 times his size and then gets up and smashes his head a few more times with both fists and yells "WOooooOOOOO" is sending a messege to the opposing team. You cannot take that away or let him be traded.


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