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#41 CRA

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:27 PM

teams without strong leadership fold quickly

I agree.....and we don't have strongly leadership. I would say we are the poster child for that.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:32 PM

I agree.....and we don't have strongly leadership. I would say we are the poster child for that.


those examples i gave were in order from what I consider to be the lowest to the highest importance. I wouldve hoped that you would take time to consider the last one more than the other 3.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:38 PM

those examples i gave were in order from what I consider to be the lowest to the highest importance. I wouldve hoped that you would take time to consider the last one more than the other 3.

Well, you still listed that one....but fine.

Well, expand more on your most important one. I agree confidence is HUGE in this sport.....and fear IMO is pretty universal and the impact it can have.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:44 PM

Steve Smith is the best WR on this team, by a large margin. He should not, and can not be traded away without a proven replacement in hand. If you do, you hinder the development of our young QB. I just read somewhere that he is one of the league leaders for broken tackles at the WR position.

Would I love to see him leave and have a real chance at a SB run... I think so. Because I've grown to love and respect his game so much, I do want to see him achieve that milestone. I just wish that it could be with my team, and I'm sure he wishes the same. I think that's what drives him. He got a taste early and has been striving for another chance all these years. Fact is, the Panthers aren't that far away - talent wise. With better leadership and a few more playmakers, we're prime for a run. Though I feel, honestly, that we have legitimate playmakers on the bench that could put this team over the top in the areas most needed - Gettis (offense) and Adams (ST).

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

Well, you still listed that one....but fine.

Well, expand more on your most important one. I agree confidence is HUGE in this sport.....and fear IMO is pretty universal and the impact it can have.


I have surgery tomorrow, crooked shnoz is making me snore and get sick too often, I cant elaborate too much at the moment but I will promise to read more of your posts if youre interested in going beyond listening to my perspective.

The concept is this: any man who gets drilled by a guy 3 times his size and then gets up and smashes his head a few more times with both fists and yells "WOooooOOOOO" is sending a messege to the opposing team. You cannot take that away or let him be traded.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:54 PM

Draft Cam - before it was cool to say
Draft Luke bc we can't trust Beason and company to all be back
Don't sign all these RBs bc we won't give them touches to justify it
Chud is overrated and nothing like what is being pimped- last season when people wanted him as our HC

I typically get the, "CRA, you are an idiot" for such thoughts......

We should trade Smith or force him to retire after this year. Greatest Panther to date....but his time has run its course. He is one of MANY big moves we must start making. We need to move forward....I think as this season progresses that will become more clear. Bash away bc I know the Smitty man love is off the charts.....but his era is over and that era still holding on is one of several big problems IMO.


And what was your honest opinion of the Clausen draft pick?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:55 PM

I have surgery tomorrow, crooked shnoz is making me snore and get sick too often, I cant elaborate too much at the moment but I will promise to read more of your posts if youre interested in going beyond listening to my perspective.

The concept is this: any man who gets drilled by a guy 3 times his size and then gets up and smashes his head a few more times with both fists and yells "WOooooOOOOO" is sending a messege to the opposing team. You cannot take that away or let him be traded.

I agree with that....I really do.

I just think he also sends a message with certain behaviors in 2010 and 2012 to his own teammates.....

I think that too often gets ignored bc of what you just mentioned. But pound for pound, Smitty is tough as nails and has many traits you wish more players had. I just think he brings more to the table than that.......and some of it is negative. The negative gets too often overlooked. He is a better fit for certain teams that are in certain windows...than others.

Good luck with the surgery.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:00 PM

I agree with that....I really do.

I just think he also sends a message with certain behaviors in 2010 and 2012 to his own teammates.....

I think that too often gets ignored bc of what you just mentioned. But pound for pound, Smitty is tough as nails and has many traits you wish more players had. I just think he brings more to the table than that.......and some of it is negative. The negative gets too often overlooked. He is a better fit for certain teams that are in certain windows...than others.

Good luck with the surgery.


Thank you

and I understand that how us two weigh those things makes the difference in our opinions. This team is dire need of leaders now. They need conifidence badly and not the kind that comes through soft spoken words of encouragement. Whatever the cost with 89, I gladly pay it.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

And what was your honest opinion of the Clausen draft pick?


hated it.....well documented. Liked AE though....

Never understood the hype, played exactly the same way at ND and never beat anyone.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:08 PM

Draft Cam - before it was cool to say
Draft Luke bc we can't trust Beason and company to all be back
Don't sign all these RBs bc we won't give them touches to justify it
Chud is overrated and nothing like what is being pimped- last season when people wanted him as our HC


I typically get the, "CRA, you are an idiot" for such thoughts......

We should trade Smith or force him to retire after this year. Greatest Panther to date....but his time has run its course. He is one of MANY big moves we must start making. We need to move forward....I think as this season progresses that will become more clear. Bash away bc I know the Smitty man love is off the charts.....but his era is over and that era still holding on is one of several big problems IMO.



Link to your genius prognostications?

Force Smitty to retire, yes I'm certain that is the right course.


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