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#16 googoodan

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:41 AM

I've been sitting here trying to think of something to say from personal experiences, but the only people I've known to committ or attempt suicide did so for emotional reasons, not for a terminal illness

I know that in those situations, the family really does feel betrayed and confused. When I was 14, there was another 14 year old kid who lived nearby. I didn't know him that well, but he was a friend of my brother and I once had a short fling with his sister. What I did know of him, he was completely normal - many friends, close family, worked with my brother that summer to earn some money. One day, he spent several hundred dollars on clothes. He came home, put them all away, and went outside. A while later, his mother told his sister to go get him for dinner. She went outside and found him hanging in the garage.
That's situation is heartbreaking - family and friends had no idea what that kid was going through. They never had the chance to intervene.

I know that isn't the situation the OP is talking about, but I believe people automatically assume that's the situation when someone asks about suicide. Thats why most people will instantly say "he'll no!" when someone asks this type of question.

I've got two pieces of advice:
1- get a second and third opinion. I have some, but very little medical training. I often catch mistakes doctors make. They are human. They have distractions. They disconnect emotionally so much that they often have no clue what they're saying.

2- if you decide to go on your own terms, make sure your loved ones know the reason. Do not leave them guessing for the rest of their lives if your decision was based on something they did or didn't do. Make sure you explain how you feel about them and that it's your choice to make.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:53 AM

fug yeah

/kills self

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:24 AM

Your entire questions is easily reduced to the question of faith. That "faith" encompassing every aspect of the theories of an afterlife or whatever else may become of your spirit or soul.

Me? I think you end up in the ground or in an urn somewhere and that's the end of it. The entire theory/belief/story of another level of being comes with the same territory that gave man the ability to reason. And I think the biggest human frailty is the simple fact that we humans cannot, will not or just have a really hard time accepting the finality of anything, death included.

Personally, I wouldn't even consider suicide if a terminal illness was the impetus. Using the financial thing is simply an excuse in my opinion. Nobody says you have to check into the hospital or get all the treatments or start some kind of drug regimen to stay alive. I have a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) and my living will implicitly states to not use any extraordinary means to sustain my life. But in the even of a terminal illness, I certainly will not check my self into a hospital, either. My wife and I are both very clear in our wishes to just be able to live out whatever time we have together at our favorite place.

The financial thing? Really? Might want to check your life insurance policy first and make sure that if you do off yourself, your beneficiary will still collect. Used to be they were always excluded from payment. Suicide may leave more of a mess to clean up than just your rotting corpse, including all of your financial obligations... don't forget about those as long as you're talking about the other finances.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:34 AM

Well since I think heaven and hell are a joke, no.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:45 AM

I'd rather have all the debt in the world and a few extra months with my loved ones, than no debt and them to be gone suddenly and without warning.

Sucide and sudden death leave a lot more pain for family than debt does.

However, my opinion will differ somewhat as I'm British and don't have to worry about medical bills.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:51 AM

My wife's mother died this year. She went through a very painful non operable cancer. Started in her lungs from decades of smoking, then to her bones and her brain. She was 56 years old and lasted 6 months from diagnoses to death.

So first of all, I would like to say all you smokers are fugging morons. That stuff will catch up with you. There has never been a cancer victim who said while on their deathbed that the smoking was worth it. Cut that crap out now.

Anyways, I don't believe in heaven or hell. That's not to say I don't believe in an after life. Energy in this universe cannot be created or destroyed, so the thinking that life just ends doesn't make sense. Surely there is an afterlife, it just may not be a concious one.

As far as suicide, I feel it isn't humane to force a terminal patient to suffer and go through extreme agony if they don't want to. If my wife's mom wanted to take her own life on her terms, I would have completely respected that. I don't believe there would be any consequences.

If by some chance there is adjust and loving god, punishing someone for doing as much would make that god a prick.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:09 AM

I would seek the advice help of a church you are familiar with. I would attend a service and/or seek an appointment with a priest. Or if your not comfortable doing that yourself, then i am sure you have a friend or family member who is a Christian who can help you with this.

I am not a priest, but I do believe it is the duty of every Christian to spread the word of God...

Life belongs to God. It is never our place to take our own life or someone else's life.

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).

The solution to despair and hopelessness is not suicide, but faith in God.

"We wait in hope for the LORD; he is our help and our shield. In him our hearts rejoice, for we trust in his holy name. May your unfailing love rest upon us, O LORD, even as we put our hope in you" (Psalms 33:20-22).

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:24 AM

Here is a documentary that was just on Frontline about assisted suicide.

http://www.pbs.org/w...e/suicide-plan/


Here is a web site that deals with it.

http://www.finalexitnetwork.org/

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:31 AM

Your entire questions is easily reduced to the question of faith. That "faith" encompassing every aspect of the theories of an afterlife or whatever else may become of your spirit or soul.

Me? I think you end up in the ground or in an urn somewhere and that's the end of it. The entire theory/belief/story of another level of being comes with the same territory that gave man the ability to reason. And I think the biggest human frailty is the simple fact that we humans cannot, will not or just have a really hard time accepting the finality of anything, death included.

Personally, I wouldn't even consider suicide if a terminal illness was the impetus. Using the financial thing is simply an excuse in my opinion. Nobody says you have to check into the hospital or get all the treatments or start some kind of drug regimen to stay alive. I have a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) and my living will implicitly states to not use any extraordinary means to sustain my life. But in the even of a terminal illness, I certainly will not check my self into a hospital, either. My wife and I are both very clear in our wishes to just be able to live out whatever time we have together at our favorite place.

The financial thing? Really? Might want to check your life insurance policy first and make sure that if you do off yourself, your beneficiary will still collect. Used to be they were always excluded from payment. Suicide may leave more of a mess to clean up than just your rotting corpse, including all of your financial obligations... don't forget about those as long as you're talking about the other finances.


Believing when you're dead, you're dead and that's it, is also based on 100% faith.

Refusing treatment and being able to give all your money is another option. For someone with your beliefs, this question is an easy one to answer. For most, the odds get tricky when you start talking treatment ie. money, insurance. Part of me says I will fight however long I can to see the poeple I love for the longest amount of time I can because, being agnostic, I certainley accept when 'you're dead, you're dead' as a feasible possability.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:00 AM

Tough question. I'm not religious, never go to church outside of weddings/ funerals, and dont believe in heaven and hell.

Could there be some afterlife? Absolutely. Ive always found it interesting that every single person on the planet (outside of psychopaths) has a moral compass. Sure, its different for every person depending on your life, but every person feels a sense of right and wrong from their actions, completely independent of what other people think.

Maybe its just a funny little quirk of humanity, but it feels like more to me. Like your actions have some sort of bigger meaning. What it means I have no idea.

Dont know if this was helpful, but good luck. Remember to enjoy those fleeting moments we call life

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:03 AM

Just one small, minor issue with Christian churches- not a single one of them has any belief or value system which advocates suicide. This is partly a faith-based belief and also a business decision. It's pretty hard to get your donations or gifts if you're dead.

That being said, I do believe in everything that Jack Kervorkian did to help those pass gracefully without the medical trauma, in their own home with their loved ones close by.

I don't know. I've thought about the whole suicide thing a lot over the years- it's always in the back of your mind somehow when you're the product of a bi-polar mother...back in the 60's when "bi-polar" got you a few days in the local hospital whenever the moon changed.

Seriously, have you thought about how you'd carry it out? Who are you going to tell? Who's going to clean up the aftermath (doesn't matter how you do it, there's always a mess and someone will have to handle you). What really is your medical situation? Is it terminal or is the medical money machine simply going to treat symptoms with no intention of treating the problem?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:51 AM

This board is probably not a good place to ask




actually, if you're going to ask on a sports board, this place would be better than 95 percent of any boards I know of.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:45 PM

As a Christian, I first want to express sadness for the position you are in. I would hate to think of leaving my son and others. I work now to provide them with security upon my departure. I have never wanted to consider never seeing them again and the whole "life" thing ending with no legacy, footprint or difference made.

I do not think suicide is some unforgiveable sin. Not what the bible teaches anyway. Not sure why you would ask about hell if it is not in your belief system. Just think someone besides other agnostics might be good for a few conversations. Would not go to the local screaming fire and brimstone types.

Christianity not based on who can yell the loudest. Personally don't think it ends at bodily expiration.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:45 PM

I would seek the advice help of a church you are familiar with. I would attend a service and/or seek an appointment with a priest. Or if your not comfortable doing that yourself, then i am sure you have a friend or family member who is a Christian who can help you with this.

I am not a priest, but I do believe it is the duty of every Christian to spread the word of God...

Life belongs to God. It is never our place to take our own life or someone else's life.

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).

The solution to despair and hopelessness is not suicide, but faith in God.

"We wait in hope for the LORD; he is our help and our shield. In him our hearts rejoice, for we trust in his holy name. May your unfailing love rest upon us, O LORD, even as we put our hope in you" (Psalms 33:20-22).

http://www.christian...l/dml-y038.html

If you want to talk, PM me your number.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:54 PM

If you have HBO On Demand the documentary HOW TO DIE IN OREGON may still be available. It was still there in October. The PBS documentary already mentioned is good, but this one is a must see for those contemplating such an important issue.

HOW TO DIE IN OREGON explores the complexities of the aid-in-dying debate, interviewing doctors on both sides of the issue, as well as activists, patients' families and opinion-makers such as journalist and author Derek Humphry, who wrote the bestselling suicide handbook "Final Exit" and founded the Hemlock Society USA, which aims to decriminalize voluntary euthanasia nationwide. The film also travels to Washington state, where Seattle activist Nancy Niedzielski campaigns for that state's Death with Dignity Act following her husband's slow and painful death from brain cancer. Washington voters passed the law in 2008.

In 1994, Oregon became the first state in the U.S. to legalize physician aid-in-dying. At the time, only two countries (Switzerland and the Netherlands) permitted the practice, but more than 500 Oregonians have since ended their life using the law.

At the heart of HOW TO DIE IN OREGON are the patients, families and friends who grapple with the state's legal option of physician aid-in-dying. Among the stories the film tells is that of Cody Curtis, a 54-year-old wife and mother who suffers heroically through a roller coaster of emotions and on-again, off-again symptoms stemming from cancer of the liver, symptoms as debilitating as they are humiliating. After initial surgery seems successful, the cancer returns, prompting Curtis to legally obtain the lethal barbiturates to hold "in reserve" as a final option. "It's very comforting to know they are here," she says. "It's my choice when to take them and whether to take them."

http://www.hbo.com/d...n/synopsis.html

A review of the documentary

http://www.nytimes.c...25sundance.html


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