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#31 Hawk

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:00 PM

scared what the answers would be if this thread was changed from suiciders to masturbators!

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

I'm typically one of those folks that's particularly hard on people who take their lives. I see it as the last and maybe greatest attention whoring act of a coward.

But that's when it's an act of emotion.

But when the decision is made by God/The Universe/Fate or whatever you believe in, we'll that's a different story. I don't think that there is anything wrong with simply hastening that which is imminate. There is no nobility in enduring a long and difficult passing.

As someone who believes in God I can't reconcile the idea of any "Go to Jail, Go directly to Jail. Do not pass Go" with the idea of a just and loving deity.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

Also, the asshole in me just has to ask...

If someone commits suicide, and there is an omnipotent god, then said god willed suicide to happen... no?

Religious folk will be the first to tell you that everything happens for a reason, until something like suicide happens, and then they'll immediately pass judgement...

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:19 AM

Whatever gets you through the night is alright, ultimately everyone must decide for themselves.

The way I look at it is, there is no scientific evidence of a cognizant existence prior to conception (a truly preconceived notion) or postmortem.

It is estimated there have been approximately 100 billion modern humans born, all but 7 billion are now dead. Haven't run into one wayward soul yet.

I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I were wrong, but wishing it was true is simply not enough for me,

However, if I am right, I'll be as equally preoccupied with this issue after death, as I was before I was born.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:21 AM

Whatever gets you through the night is alright, ultimately everyone must decide for themselves.

The way I look at it is, there is no scientific evidence of a cognizant existence prior to conception (a truly preconceived notion) or postmortem.

It is estimated there have been approximately 100 billion modern humans born, all but 7 billion are now dead. Haven't run into one wayward soul yet.

I wouldn't be the least bit upset if I were wrong, but wishing it was true is simply not enough for me,

However, if I am right, I'll be as equally preoccupied with this issue after death, as I was before I was born.


How exactly could science prove or disprove such and existence?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:13 PM

How exactly could science prove or disprove such and existence?


Advocates of fanciful ideas ultimately resort to "It can not be proved or disproved."

By the standard of "you can't prove it doesn't exist", we would need to include things such as vampires, werewolves, leprechauns, trolls, monsters under the bed, and any other fanciful idea that pops into anyone's head.

Ask anyone that believes in something fanciful and it ultimately comes down to "faith".

There is a total lack of verifiable evidence for an after life, just like for monsters under the bed.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:43 PM

also the female orgasm is a myth

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:43 PM

You are the one who brought up science and how it had no evidence. I am just asking how science tests or gets results or proves or disproves "existence". Would that by definition be outside of the scientific realm? Oooh gasp!

It was a question. You can frame it with monsters under the bed, but when I cut the light on, they are not there. Doubt it is the same. If you don't have an answer, just move on and try not to demean everyone on your way out.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

You are the one who brought up science and how it had no evidence. I am just asking how science tests or gets results or proves or disproves "existence". Would that by definition be outside of the scientific realm? Oooh gasp!

It was a question. You can frame it with monsters under the bed, but when I cut the light on, they are not there. Doubt it is the same. If you don't have an answer, just move on and try not to demean everyone on your way out.


i've never cut the light on and found god under my bed.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

i've never cut the light on and found god under my bed.


You had better hope you don't

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:52 PM

You had better hope you don't


"immaculate conception don't happen on it's own beans!"

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:04 PM

when i was 11, my priest told me "God is watching you masturbate!"

i asked, "is God a pedophile too, father?"

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

What if the white light at the end is just the opening of another vagina?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:00 PM

You are the one who brought up science and how it had no evidence. I am just asking how science tests or gets results or proves or disproves "existence". Would that by definition be outside of the scientific realm? Oooh gasp!

It was a question. You can frame it with monsters under the bed, but when I cut the light on, they are not there. Doubt it is the same. If you don't have an answer, just move on and try not to demean everyone on your way out.


Sorry didn't intend to offend anyone, here you go...

We can think of a simple test setup. Place a target, such as a card with a secret message, on a high shelf in the operating room, facing the ceiling so that it is unreadable not only by the patient on the table but by the hospital staff in the room. Then if a patient has a near-death experience that involves the commonly reported sensation of moving outside her body and floating above the operating table, she should be able to read that message
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This experiment has been tried several times without a single subject succeeding in reading the message under controlled conditions. I understand that more experiments of this type are now being carried out, but I haven't heard any results yet.

Researchers in the field would love nothing better than to verify the afterlife. But they are beginning to have second thoughts. One prominent, long-time investigator, Kenneth Ring has commented that after decades of research we would have by now expected more than few positive results under controlled conditions. This is the upshot of the 40 years of research. Investigators can't point to a single verifiable case in which the experiencer reported something they could not have known ahead of time.


As brain function decreases, we lose consciousness, as when under full anesthesia. Why should that be if consciousness resides in an immaterial soul? Brain scans today can locate the portions of the brain where different types of thoughts arise, including emotions and religious thoughts. When that part of the brain is destroyed by surgery or injury, those types of thoughts disappear. Let's face it; so-called spirituality is all in the head. It's purely material in nature.

You often will hear it said, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." This is not true. Absence of evidence is evidence for absence when that evidence should be there. If life after death exists, then evidence should be there. It is not. Life-after-death can be ruled out scientifically beyond a reasonable doubt.


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