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#11 chef17

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

He has 10 interceptions. Giving him 5% of the blame means only half of an interception was on him. Yeah he could get a lot more help. But to give him almost no responsibilty for exectution is insane.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:33 PM

He's very Tim Couch-like today


Wow. Just wow.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:36 PM

Wow. Just wow.


Quit trying to bait me on all my posts, punk. Look at his stat line so far. I watched a lot of the Browns and Couch back in the day and he had a lot of halves like this. I love Cam and all but I am objective.

You need to stop harassing me constantly, you're just acting like a punk.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

Loads of fail in this post but I've bolded a complete factual error. On average Cam has 3.52 seconds in the pocket before he is sacked. That is the 11th longest in the league.


I like stats with more substance. Does that stat include pressures and hits? I can see that Cam gets pressured a lot just by watching the games. According to football outsiders, our pass protection is 24th in the league. They use adjusted sack rate.

Adjusted Sack Rate (ASR)/Sack Rate: Sack Rate represents sacks divided by pass plays, which include passes, sacks, and aborted snaps. It is a better measure of pass blocking than total sacks because it takes into account how often an offense passes the ball. Adjusted Sack Rate adds adjustments for opponent quality, as well as down and distance (sacks are more common on third down, especially third-and-long


http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/ol

They also have our run blocking as 31st.

So tell me how does this help our QB?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:51 PM

Quit trying to bait me on all my posts, punk. Look at his stat line so far. I watched a lot of the Browns and Couch back in the day and he had a lot of halves like this. I love Cam and all but I am objective.

You need to stop harassing me constantly, you're just acting like a punk.


Change your username and root your team on. Cam is the only reason we're in this thing right now.

I seriously can't tell if you're just a huge troll or if you actually don't understand the game.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:54 PM

I like stats with more substance. Does that stat include pressures and hits? I can see that Cam gets pressured a lot just by watching the games. According to football outsiders, our pass protection is 24th in the league. They use adjusted sack rate.



http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/ol

They also have our run blocking as 31st.

So tell me how does this help our QB?


Cam is pressured on 33.3% of drop backs which is about 9th most in the league. 1 in 4 times Cam is pressured its a sack. Those sacks take on average 3.52 seconds to land.

It takes him on average 5.46 seconds to decide to scramble. That's the fourth longest time in the NFL.

It takes him on average 3.04 seconds to throw. That's the third longest time in the NFL.

Anyway you shape it, Cam is spending a long time in the pocket, no wonder the pressures are coming thick and fast. Whether it's the routes being run, the WRs not getting seperation, the OLine allowing quick pressure Cam needs to make quicker decisions. This isn't surprising, most young players struggle with quick decisions early in their career so it's not a huge concern.

If his WRs are covered well, scramble or throw it away. Pressure in his face? Check down. Routes taking a while to develop, then roll out the pocket and keep the opposing DLine guessing. Cam needs to make quicker decisions and that will help his porous OLine out.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

Cam is pressured on 33.3% of drop backs which is about 9th most in the league. 1 in 4 times Cam is pressured its a sack. Those sacks take on average 3.52 seconds to land.

It takes him on average 5.46 seconds to decide to scramble. That's the fourth longest time in the NFL.

It takes him on average 3.04 seconds to throw. That's the third longest time in the NFL.

Anyway you shape it, Cam is spending a long time in the pocket, no wonder the pressures are coming thick and fast. Whether it's the routes being run, the WRs not getting seperation, the OLine allowing quick pressure Cam needs to make quicker decisions. This isn't surprising, most young players struggle with quick decisions early in their career so it's not a huge concern.

If his WRs are covered well, scramble or throw it away. Pressure in his face? Check down. Routes taking a while to develop, then roll out the pocket and keep the opposing DLine guessing. Cam needs to make quicker decisions and that will help his porous OLine out.



Ok you just said Cam is pressured the 9th most in the league. Which means Cam is scrambling more which of course would lead to a higher time to throw because he still has the ball in his hands. QBs that are really mobile will take a longer time to sack because they're moving around also. I find that 5 seconds to decide to scramble really hard to believe. What do they consider scrambling because i see Cam moving around a lot.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

Change your username and root your team on. Cam is the only reason we're in this thing right now.

I seriously can't tell if you're just a huge troll or if you actually don't understand the game.


Cam is my favorite athlete of all time but I am not blind to win he is struggling I'm sorry. He needs to be more accurate.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:05 PM

Change your username and root your team on. Cam is the only reason we're in this thing right now.

I seriously can't tell if you're just a huge troll or if you actually don't understand the game.


Really? Captain's pick six isn't a huge reason?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

I should've also added that penalties put this offense in big holes every game.


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