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#16 pstall

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

i have said this alot this season. we really gamble alot, especially on 1st down and 3rd and 5 or so. many times we have thrown deep and just miss it.

its those underneath plays or screens that if we can get more of those we could keep the chains moving.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

No. One is helping the QB become a better QB. The other is making him a sitting duck. I will take the 2 or 3 yards we get from a run under center then the 4-5 yard loss when we run from the shotgun.


I'm terms of effectiveness this year they are about equal in terms of production.

Need Gs and a decent option back.....and the read option is a mix in scheme that will be on the rise on the NFL. We have horrific G play and often use DeAngelo......and use it too much.

Usage of the read option is the main issue. Talent being used, when used in game and how often.

We shouldn't run the read option bc we have no OL....get an OL and it is a play that should be mixed in.

basically, Chud sucks.....not the read option.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

I bet your right, I doubt he even talks to anyone in the organization.


One thing about Fox I liked and disliked he never let cordinators get to big headed.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

I bet your right, I doubt he even talks to anyone in the organization.


he stares...

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:04 PM

I'm terms of effectiveness this year they are about equal in terms of production.

Need Gs and a decent option back.....and the read option is a mix in scheme that will be on the rise on the NFL. We have horrific G play and often use DeAngelo......and use it too much.

Usage of the read option is the main issue. Talent being used, when used in game and how often.

We shouldn't run the read option bc we have no OL....get an OL and it is a play that should be mixed in.

basically, Chud sucks.....not the read option.


I think both sucks. You are putting to much on the QB plate having to control the pass game and running game. It takes away the attitude of the Oline with all these side ways and misdirection runs. Most Oline like to go straight a head. And Chud fug that up making the read option a base offense.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:05 PM

Chud's response to all of our complaints...........




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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:08 PM

I think both sucks. You are putting to much on the QB plate having to control the pass game and running game. It takes away the attitude of the Oline with all these side ways and misdirection runs. Most Oline like to go straight a head. And Chud fug that up making the read option a base offense.

Mixed it in last year the 2nd half....worked great.

Washington mixes it in.....works great.

Anything will look bad if you do it too much and/or with inefficient bodies. Shanny runs it and even commented on overdoing it.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:12 PM

Mixed it in last year the 2nd half....worked great.

Washington mixes it in.....works great.

Anything will look bad if you do it too much and/or with inefficient bodies. Shanny runs it and even commented on overdoing it.



I don't mind you mixing it in but once you see it isn't working don't call it anymore in that game. I still want Cam to run a traditional offense like Freeman did today. Under center wearing a team defenses down.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:14 PM

I remember like weeks 1, 2, 3 early on this season when the read option was failing and people were fighting with me trying to defend it, etc.

It was horse poo offense then and it is now. It will NEVER work in the NFL at any volume. NEVER.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:29 PM

that poo is seriously about to make me lose my fuggin mind...chud and rivera flat out refuse to quit running it...i mean it isn't working you dumb motha's...just stop it!!!

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:43 PM

I remember like weeks 1, 2, 3 early on this season when the read option was failing and people were fighting with me trying to defend it, etc.

It was horse poo offense then and it is now. It will NEVER work in the NFL at any volume. NEVER.


Not true, mixed it in last year.....offense was great.

Look at RGIII's stat line today mixing it in....and on the season. RGIII completed 14 of 15 passes for 4 TDs. 12 carries for 80 rushing as well.

With anything, you do it too much or with bad talent for what you are attempting and it won't work.

We should stop.....not bc the read option can't work mixed in but bc our OL is so bad our RBs struggle even getting back the the line of scrimmage

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

Not true, mixed it in last year.....offense was great.

Look at RGIII's stat line today mixing it in....and on the season. RGIII completed 14 of 15 passes for 4 TDs. 12 carries for 80 rushing as well.

With anything, you do it too much or with bad talent for what you are attempting and it won't work.

We should stop.....not bc the read option can't work mixed in but bc our OL is so bad our RBs struggle even getting back the the line of scrimmage



Or as a play caller your not good at it and call it at the wrong time. Chud has lost his feel for the game and of his personal. Since the read option need so much to work even when you mix it in we need not use it until we have the pieces to run it. Not to mention the whole Jab step is hurting Cam mech.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:50 PM

I don't pay attention to the browns but on the surface this situation sounds eerily similar to chud and DA's second year together.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 10:32 PM

I don't pay attention to the browns but on the surface this situation sounds eerily similar to chud and DA's second year together.


Anderson went from the pro bowl to horrible and replaced

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:09 AM

Not true, mixed it in last year.....offense was great.

Look at RGIII's stat line today mixing it in....and on the season. RGIII completed 14 of 15 passes for 4 TDs. 12 carries for 80 rushing as well.

With anything, you do it too much or with bad talent for what you are attempting and it won't work.

We should stop.....not bc the read option can't work mixed in but bc our OL is so bad our RBs struggle even getting back the the line of scrimmage


Shanahan runs the same offense he ran during denver's super bowl years. There's always a man open. It's usually a short pass. If and when the defense bites down on that short pass, then there's a deep man open. It's a simple but effective offense. The fact that RGIII can run just gives Shanahan an extra toy that he can play with. RGIII rolling out ALWAYS has a wide open receiver in front of him. Like clockwork.


Compare that to our offense, where everything funnels through Cam, and our OL and receivers are never sure who and where they need to block. We usually don't have that underneath route. When we do, it's not fooling anybody and is usually overthrown.


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