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[mcdougal]

All he said is that Cam really struggles reading defenses right now and that the current staff is trying to make it easier for him. He did not say that he thought he could not learn.....Just that he has gotten by in the past by being the best athlete in the field, including at Auburn. He had never really had to be a student if the game in the past and now he is struggling with that part if it.

It is just a part if the game that he now has to learn and work hard on.

Not this moronic stuff again about he is not a student of the game. Was he not a student of the game when he showed up to every off season workout? Or what about when he had rewatched every throw he made before the superbowl last season? What about when he showed up to the Rookie camp despite not being one?

How about Sam Bradford? Or Stafford? or Cutler? Why is it I NEVER hear they are not "students of the game"?

lol what about Gabbert? Does your friend suggest that he has trouble reading defenses?

[Avacashay]

Like I said...believe what you want. Makes no difference to me.

Just because you don't know anyone related to the team does not mean that others don't too.

Don't assume. I ran into to Hurney at the gym the other day. He told me that Cam routinely puts his cleats on the wrong feet and that's why his footwork is so bad. That's not my opinion though, that's what I was told. So yeah, there's that.

[MadHatter]

I don't find it unusual a coach would tell you that, or that it's really unusual a QB with as little real experience as Cam has would have difficulty reading defenses. He has a lot of catching up to do after just 1 year in the SEC and 1 in the NFL.

That said, I don't get the people that say he can't run a "pro style" offense as that is the style in which he has performed best. His performance declined when we went from 55% or 60% shotgun with 2 TE's and a more balanced attack to 80%+ shotgun, a single TE, lots of read option and a very unsuccessful running game.

Rather than focus on developing him further as a QB, they choose to dumb things down, and all that's done is hurt his game. Let him learn just like everyone else. It's not like what we're doing is working anyway.

I 100% agree with you that I also think their decision has hurt his development and not helped him in any way.

And, I only asked him because he was key go by the team. I thought he might be more open to giving his opinion. I had talked to him several times before at the pool. Never asked this kind if question for two reasons.

It would put him in an awkward position and I would never expect a current coach to really answer the question.

[MadHatter]

Don't assume. I ran into to Hurney at the gym the other day. He told me that Cam routinely puts his cleats on the wrong feet and that's why his footwork is so bad. That's not my opinion though, that's what I was told. So yeah, there's that.

Nice try. You fail at humor just like you do logic.

Your parents must be sooooo proud if you. Making it off the short bus was more than they could have ever imagined for you.

Understand that I don't really care if you believe me. If you don't...that is your prerogative and that is cool.

[mcdougal]

I don't find it unusual a coach would tell you that, or that it's really unusual a QB with as little real experience as Cam has would have difficulty reading defenses. He has a lot of catching up to do after just 1 year in the SEC and 1 in the NFL.

That said, I don't get the people that say he can't run a "pro style" offense as that is the style in which he has performed best. His performance declined when we went from 55% or 60% shotgun with 2 TE's and a more balanced attack to 80%+ shotgun, a single TE, lots of read option and a very unsuccessful running game.

Rather than focus on developing him further as a QB, they choose to dumb things down, and all that's done is hurt his game. Let him learn just like everyone else. It's not like what we're doing is working anyway.

Exactly. His production fell when he started to run read option. Funny thing is...when we stop running it and start with more pro-sets, under center stuff (ie Chicago and first series against Denver) Cam has look extremely good. And last year...well we all know how much he struggled last year running pro sets and "reading defenses."

[Avacashay]

Nice try. You fail at humor just like you do logic.

Your parents must be sooooo proud if you. Making it off the short bus was more than they could have ever imagined for you.

Understand that I don't really care if you believe me. If you don't...that is your prerogative and that is cool.

Why are you so upset though. If you "don't care" why the insults? You couldn't have really thought no one was going to question that blatant lie.

[MadHatter]

Not this moronic stuff again about he is not a student of the game. Was he not a student of the game when he showed up to every off season workout? Or what about when he had rewatched every throw he made before the superbowl last season? What about when he showed up to the Rookie camp despite not being one?

How about Sam Bradford? Or Stafford? or Cutler? Why is it I NEVER hear they are not "students of the game"?

lol what about Gabbert? Does your friend suggest that he has trouble reading defenses?

Showing up and working his ass off us not what I meant by being a student if the game. I meant that he was so superior growing up as an athlete that he did not have to study defenses to beat them. He was just that good of an athlete.

Cam cones across as an intelligent guy. I believe he will work his ass off and refine this skill. However, he did not come into the league with the skillset that less athletic QB's may have had. Those QB's that only became successful by studying the game...because they did not have the physical tools that Cam has.

Not blaming him for this...just that he never had to rely on it to be successful.

[Gabeking]

GOATCam is probably ventilating right now at this "news" lol

[MadHatter]

Why are you so upset though. If you "don't care" why the insults? You couldn't have really thought no one was going to question that blatant lie.

Not upset at all. I just find you humorous.

[Avacashay]

Not upset at all. I just find you humorous.

Well good. I guess that means you have one more use for me than I have for you.

[MadHatter]

Well good. I guess that means you have one more use for me than I have for you.

No, I don't want fries with that.

[mcdougal]

Showing up and working his ass off us not what I meant by being a student if the game. I meant that he was so superior growing up as an athlete that he did not have to study defenses to beat them. He was just that good of an athlete.

Cam cones across as an intelligent guy. I believe he will work his ass off and refine this skill. However, he did not come into the league with the skillset that less athletic QB's may have had. Those QB's that only became successful by studying the game...because they did not have the physical tools that Cam has.

Not blaming him for this...just that he never had to rely on it to be successful.

I am asking you. What in Cam's past suggest that he came into the league studying any less than say Luck who is as athletic as Cam is?

[Avacashay]

No, I don't want fries with that.

eh, swing and a miss. Needs work along with your fabrication skills.

[MadHatter]

eh, swing and a miss. Needs work along with your fabrication skills.

Awe how sweet....the little guy tried to make a funny.

[Avacashay]

Awe how sweet....the little guy tried to make a funny.

Yep, you're out of steam. It's been a blast.