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right now we can't afford a good free agent or two...in fact, we can't even afford our[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
draft picks next year....some players won't be Panthers next year that we thought would.[/size][/font][/color]
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"The next GM will have to make some critical personnel decisions right from the jump. The Panthers have nearly $130 million committed toward next year’s salary cap, according to ESPN.com.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
That figures to be at least $5 million over the still-to-be-determined cap and does not include salaries for next year’s draft class and any free agents the Panthers might sign – outside the organization or their own.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
Whoever replaces Hurney undoubtedly will have to cut a couple of high-priced veterans and restructure other contracts. The Panthers heard from teams interested in running back DeAngelo Williams – who will count $8.2 million against next year’s cap – at the trade deadline, but didn’t get much in the way of offers.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
With Rivera’s staff committing to Jonathan Stewart as the starter, Williams seems like an expensive complementary piece. But the next staff – if Rivera is fired – might have a different vision for the backfield.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
Cornerback Chris Gamble has a cap number of $10.9 million next year and will be coming off shoulder surgery. Though the Panthers are not well-stocked at corner, Gamble’s age – he will be 30 before next season – and cap number make him a prime candidate to be cut or restructured.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
Linebacker Jon Beason is in a similar position after missing most of the past two seasons following surgeries. The difference: Gamble has two more years left on his deal, Beason ($9.5 million cap figure in 2013) has four.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
The next GM will have to take a long look at the contracts of linebacker James Anderson ($4.4 million), left tackle Jordan Gross ($11.7 million), receiver Steve Smith ($5.7 million) and defensive tackle Ron Edwards ($3.3 million) and see what direction he wants to go.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
The Panthers face the cap crunch in large part because of their spending spree following the lockout in 2011, when they re-signed six of their core players with contract extensions totaling $152 million in guaranteed money.[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]
But with the Panthers starting over in some respects, that core is aging and will have to be reconstituted."[/size][/font][/color][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=2]

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/11/17/3672555/energize-the-franchise-wholl-be.html#storylink=cpy[/size][/font][/color]
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James Anderson has been underwhelming, he's the one who have up the td yesterday.
Trade him

Ron Edwards is an easy decision to cut.

Gross should be forced to retire.

Trade/cut Dwill

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Beason, Gamble, and Dwill.

Just get what you can for em.

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God, Hurney was a terrible GM...these contracts are absurd...

All of those names are on the block.

- new direction

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I'd like to see Beason re-structured... I suspect DWill will be traded or cut, but depends on who the new coach is.

Gamble... when he's healthy, he's solid, but don't know if he's worth that kind of money coming off of being hurt, and our CB's have been better than we all expected.

Gross? If we get rid of him, as shaky as he's been at times this year, we lose a veteran leader and who's gonna play LT?

Ron Edwards is old, but his cap hit is not that big and who's gonna replace him?

I will personally riot if they do anything with Smitty. He should retire a Panther. He has at least, AT LEAST two good years left and possibly more.

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Ron Edwards has actually earned his $ this season.

Gamble/Gross/DWill

Anderson is average, being paid above average.

Beason will redo his deal I think.
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Chris Gamble I feel is a guy who is going to be traded. If he didn't get hurt this year, the Patriots probably would have called us about him. I'm wondering if some of these guys can restructure to save us a great deal of cap space? I wouldn't mind having D-Will back next year, as long as we got a competent fullback and ran a pro system. I'm just afraid DeAngelo will go somewhere else, and just straight up flourish. (The Colts will probably be the first team that signs him if he hits the market.)

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I know people love Beason but there is no reason to keep him unless he is moving outside and taking a HUGE pay cut...
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Who cares what they do when they leave?

Players change teams all the time and have success.


I doubt we get many offers for Gamble at his age coming off an injury
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I know people love Beason but there is no reason to keep him unless he is moving outside and taking a HUGE pay cut...
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The return of Davis makes Beason expendable. He's too beat up for a 50+ million dollar contract. And right now we have 2 LBs who are playing great...

Sorry Beason.

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beason will be here, it will cost us more next year to cut/trade him than to keep him.

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Beason, Gamble, and Dwill.

Just get what you can for em.
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Beason and Williams are untradable w/ their contracts. We are just going to have to pick and choose....will flat out have to cut a few. Take a hit.

Have to keep Beason force him to restructure and play OLB. He should considering what we paid him for nothing in return w/ that fat deal. Cut Williams, probably Gamble and Godrey. Gross and Smitty should retire, that would be best for everyone.

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FWIW Godfrey continues to improve, he is however mainly an in the box safety and a bit over paid.
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Beason and Williams are untradable w/ their contracts. We are just going to have to pick and choose....will flat out have to cut a few. Take a hit.

Have to keep Beason. Cut Williams, probably Gamble and Godrey. Gross and Smitty should retire, that would be best for everyone.
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The contracts could be reworked with their other teams(or this team) but yea the new GM has his work cut out for him.

The team will be dramatically different next year but it has to be.

I think we all agree with those same names.

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Beason and Williams are untradable w/ their contracts. We are just going to have to pick and choose....will flat out have to cut a few. Take a hit.

Have to keep Beason. Cut Williams, probably Gamble and Godrey. Gross and Smitty should retire, that would be best for everyone.
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If we have to absorb the penalty for cutting/trading then so be it at this point. Too much money being wasted to not get some type of production from these guys. And Gross being an issue on that terrible OLine...he def doesn't deserve his contract at this point

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Not gonna argue about Gamble, but no way we should cut Godfrey.

Why should Smitty retire? He's still got a lot left and if we'd throw him the damned ball he'd show it.

Gross... meh, again, who's gonna replace him?

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Not gonna argue about Gamble, but no way we should cut Godfrey.

Why should Smitty retire? He's still got a lot left and if we'd throw him the damned ball he'd show it.

Gross... meh, again, who's gonna replace him?
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why don't you go check out the money we are about to pay Godfrey the next couple years before claiming we shouldn't cut him.

b/c Smitty's time here is up. It happens w/ coaches and players. He represents the past. Old aging players are great when they act like Jerry Rice and hang on. Smitty will continue to be less explosive....yet still bring his attitude, drama, whine to the media, and be a thorn in the side of young leadership attempting to take over and lead. Smith knows it.

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Tons of work to do this offseason

Cut a ton and draft a superstar that's the main idea now

AND FOR GOD SAKES FREE AGENT TIME GET SOMEONE DECENT

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Beason: I'd like to keep Beason, if we can get a healthy Beason, Kuechly, Davis on the field with Anderson as a backup, that'll make a very good LB core.

Gamble: Restructure his contract, we need his vet leadership and play.

Gross: Restructure his contract, we need his vet leadership and play.

Edwards: Ron that is, his contract is low enough to keep and he's been playing well.

D. Will: Trade him for a draft pick and sign Armond Smith to the 53 and put T. Poole on the PS.

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why don't you go check out the money we are about to pay Godfrey the next couple years before claiming we shouldn't cut him.

b/c Smitty's time here is up. It happens w/ coaches and players. He represents the past. Old aging players are great when they act like Jerry Rice and hang on. Smitty will continue to be less explosive....yet still bring his attitude, drama, whine to the media, and be a thorn in the side of young leadership attempting to take over and lead. Smith knows it.
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Truth hurts sometimes. But we will literally have no WR core if he leaves/retires

We have a ton of issues to address...and it's looking like they all won't be fixed this offseason
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Beason: I'd like to keep Beason, if we can get a healthy Beason, Kuechly, Davis on the field with Anderson as a backup, that'll make a very good LB core.

Gamble: Restructure his contract, we need his vet leadership and play.

Gross: Restructure his contract, we need his vet leadership and play.

Edwards: Ron that is, his contract is low enough to keep and he's been playing well.

D. Will: Trade him for a draft pick and sign Armond Smith to the 53 and put T. Poole on the PS.
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that is more of the same.....

our leaders are Gross, Smith, Gamble, etc......and everyone talks about how leadership in Carolina had be horrible. Front office guys. Coaches. etc.

We need to be gutted of the Fox era boys. If you played in a NFCCG with Fox......it is time to go.
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As far as the RB position, why don't we get rid of Tolbert and just get a conventional FB then see if dwill would restructure

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Who cares what they do when they leave?

Players change teams all the time and have success.


I doubt we get many offers for Gamble at his age coming off an injury
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I don't think Chris' age would be a problem considering the position he play. The injury might put some off, but I think we could at least get a 3rd or 4th for him.

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Godfrey is an average Safety, could be replaced with a FA or a high draft pick rookie.
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I agree. The older Fox boys gotta go....except for Smith IMO....I don't want to think about LaFell and Murphy being our 1 & 2 options

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