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#13 Mr. Scot

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

The Bucs were Dungy's team.

Gruden ran that team into the ground. He played 'musical chairs' with his QBs and by the time he was done, the players were ready to mutiny rather than ever play for him again

Absolutely and emphatically, no.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

That is true but in 2001 with Dungy Tampa Bay was 9-7 and in 2002 with Gruden they jump to 12-4.

Johnson went from being very average in 2001 to being a Pro Bowler in 2002 and winning a Super Bowl.

In 2003 Johnson had a rough year (26 TDs and 21 INTs) and was the scapegoat for a 7-9 season. He was replaced the next season and Tampa Bay never had another QB with any real talent the rest of Gruden's tenure (Simms, Griese, Gradkowski, and Garcia). I mean Garcia was decent, and Tampa went 18-14 with him at QB, but the other 3 QBs no coach would have won with. Those QBs had no talent to develop.


Still, teams from one year to the next have been known to have huge swings in win loss total yearly. Given that is the case it's almost impossible and too many variables to insinuate the the added 3 wins came as a result of Gruden.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

oh...and what has he done since 2002?

In 2005 he went 11-5 with Chris Simms as his best QB. In 2007 and 2008 he went 9-7 his with an over the hill Jeff Garcia and the other terrible QBs he had when Garcia was inevitably hurt.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:40 PM

In 2005 he went 11-5 with Chris Simms as his best QB. In 2007 and 2008 he went 9-7 his with an over the hill Jeff Garcia and the other terrible QBs he had when Garcia was inevitably hurt.

I'll take 9-7 at this point......didn't the Panther's despleen Simms?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:42 PM

Gruden gets play because of his personality and celebrity status.

Those are lousy reasons to choose a head coach.

There are better options than Gruden.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

Still, teams from one year to the next have been known to have huge swings in win loss total yearly. Given that is the case it's almost impossible and too many variables to insinuate the the added 3 wins came as a result of Gruden.


He did the same in Oakland taking them from last place at 4-12 to 8-8 in year 1.

Tampa is 25-35 since John Gruden left. The year after Gruden left they went from 9-7 to 3-13. They also blew yup the roster so that doesn't really mean anything.

I don't really want him, but whether his players liked him or not he won more than he lost.

Tom Coughlin was run out of Jacksonville and nearly run out of NY because his players didn't like him either. Bill Parcells wasn't beloved by his players.

But the players seem to really like Ron Rivera so maybe we should just keep him.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

I'll take 9-7 at this point......didn't the Panther's despleen Simms?

Yes we did lol

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

Gruden gets play because of his personality and celebrity status.

Those are lousy reasons to choose a head coach.

There are better options than Gruden.

What about his .540 win percentage (which was even higher in Oakland where he built it from the ground up so you can't give all that credit to Dungy), 5 division championships, and Super Bowl win?

Are those good reasons?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:56 PM

What about his .540 win percentage (which was even higher in Oakland where he built it from the ground up so you can't give all that credit to Dungy), 5 division championships, and Super Bowl win?

Are those good reasons?

Stop making sense....that doesn't work here!

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

out of all the retreads, Gruden is the only one i'd take....

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:06 AM

I get everyone on Tampa, but what about Oakland?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:25 AM

He took Dungy's Bucs to the basement in record time.

Do not want.

The Bucs were Dungy's team.

Gruden ran that team into the ground. He played 'musical chairs' with his QBs and by the time he was done, the players were ready to mutiny rather than ever play for him again

Absolutely and emphatically, no.


Then the same must absolutely be said that Bill Callahan took Gruden's Raiders to the Super Bowl to face Gruden and the Bucs.

Tony Dungy was 2-4 in the PLayoffs with the Bucs during his 6 years in Tampa Bay including One and Done his last 2 years in Tamp Bay.
Jon Gruden brought TB a Lombardi in one year.
You might give him a little credit.
Following his career as Head Coach of the Colts Tony Dungy 4 times was One and Done in Indy in the Playoffs during his tenure.
This with Peyton Manning as his QB.