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Carolina Panthers Offense Defense Problem Fix It Now

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#11 rayzor

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:08 AM

combine last years offense with this years defense and you have one of the most dominant teams in the league. we should have built on the success of the offense last year but instead of that chud decided to do something completely different. that's probably his long term plan. let the offense get used to something one year and then switch it to keep defenses head on a swivel. FAIL.

anyways....offense is the problem this year, not that the defense has been perfect at all, esp. late. hard to put a lot of blame on them, tho. the offense can't sustain very many meaningful drives which puts the defense back on the field without any time to rest. against the bucs was just a perfect storm. they had gotten beaten to death on that last drive and demoralized by a penalty flag that should never have been thrown and then having to get back on the field in overtime? they gave it all and still came up empty. that's got to suck, but that's what the offense went through last year.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:09 AM

Most disappointing to me is late in games when we can't run the ball at all even in jumbo sets. We have Stewart and Tolbert, both considered good short yardage backs, we have Hartsock who is a good blocking TE, We can throw Brockel in there. Yet when we need a few yards to close out games, we just can't do it. That forces us to make unnecessarily risky throws late in the game.

Our running game just has to be fixed, or this offense will never amount to anything.

we essentially telegraph our run plays. we have a predictable offense that is just as bad as when davidson was here.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:11 AM

Establishing the run requires patience. It wears out defenses. Just not in the first 5 minutes of play.
I know "ground and pound" and "Foxball" is considered non viable in the NFL today, but this team could actually pull it off. Especially with a QB that can make huge throws out of play action and take off when plays break down.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:12 AM

The defense. They have much lower expectations hence them quitting or feeling like its a "bonus" to protect leads and close games. Our team is built to win predicated on our O putting up 30 every game which isnt realistic. Even when our D plays their best they still need our O to post 30 points. Other teams dont rely on their O for everything like we do. Their D's can actually go out and win games.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:14 AM

Establishing the run requires patience. It wears out defenses. Just not in the first 5 minutes of play.
I know "ground and pound" and "Foxball" is considered non viable in the NFL today, but this team could actually pull it off. Especially with a QB that can make huge throws out of play action and take off when plays break down.


Even if we were more patient.....run game outside of Cam scrambling is a nightmare. We can't even run positive plays late in games.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:18 AM

we essentially telegraph our run plays. we have a predictable offense that is just as bad as when davidson was here.


Yeah, but think back to Houston last year, when we pulled off a 7 minute drive to end the game. Everyone on the planet earth knew we were running the ball. Yet we still did it against one of the best defenses in the game.

At some point, it comes down to "want to". Our o-line and associated blockers (TE's, FB's, WR's) are just playing like marshmallows. I just wish I knew why.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:24 AM

offense. Not even close

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:52 AM

Yeah, but think back to Houston last year, when we pulled off a 7 minute drive to end the game. Everyone on the planet earth knew we were running the ball. Yet we still did it against one of the best defenses in the game.

At some point, it comes down to "want to". Our o-line and associated blockers (TE's, FB's, WR's) are just playing like marshmallows. I just wish I knew why.

i have no problem with doing it over and over and over if it's working and we've got a solid rhythm going. i love the idea of beating another team into oblivion. find out what we do that works against a defense and then just keep doing it without giving them a chance to adjust.

we just don't do that nearly enough.

that's one of the things that i like about chip kelly. i think he found something that works with the guys he has and he just mercilessly beats the other team to death taking away and chance they have to adjust. that's what i want. i don't care who it is, i just want someone who will adapt to doing what the other side of the ball can't stop and keep doing it over and over...never taking the foot off the gas.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:58 AM

the offense is so bad....it can't even help the defense close out games.

if the offense just sustains a couple drives in the 4th qt...... the defense is giving up even less points.



Well in three games this year the offense sustained late drives in the 4th causing the other team to at least burn up their time outs and take the clock down under a minute and ensuring the opposing offense had horrible field position (ie the ATL game)...well we all know how that turns out.

Face it, the only reason why our defense is somewhat decent is because the opposing offense feels that it does not need to push the issue with our offense struggling. But when the time comes for the opposing offense to score...no matter how the horrible position they are in...it most certainly does...(save NO)

If Carolina had last year's offense...the Panthers would have last year's defense...

The Panthers Defense the last 3 years has been very poor...

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:00 AM

The offense of course. The first couple of seasons with an inexperiened QB are usually going very to be painful. Cam might struggle and play poorly next season as well. That really shouldn't shock anyone. The way you make up for poor play from an inexperienced QB is by building a dominant run blocking O-line. You can either load up with great run blockers all across the line, or build up just the left or right side of the line. If you don't build a great run blocking O-line with a young QB, then you should expect a losing season. The losing seasons will continue until the QB gains enough experience to play at a high level, and it's impossible to predict when that change might occur, or if it ever will. Never bank on a young QB to carry your team. If he's still under his rookie contract, then you had better have a plan to run the ball that doesn't involve the option and guys like Hangartner.

We're going to have a high first and second round pick. No more B.S. Draft the best run blocking O-linemen availble, and trade down if the value isn't there. We go DT and Safety, then hello 4-12 unless Cam makes a huge leap in play. 17 points and a very good defense = double digit losses. Get road grating monsters up front and you've got 3rd and short, with your big money RBs about to break one. If we do anything else with this draft then forget about winning. Fix the offense.



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