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#31 I Mean He Was Found Guilty

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:45 AM

hey guys i'm panthersfanforlife

in this post i'm making a direct 1:1 comparison between two quarterbacks that play for two different teams and completely ignoring the vast differences in organizational soundness/structure, offensive philosophy, and coaching between the two. then i'll huff some more paint thinner.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:45 AM


Sorry, I think you missed the point.

People who want to defend the honor of Newton against Smith have no leg to stand on. Smith has been winning and playing quite efficiently. You just can't argue against his record and rating when you team is underperforming like ours is. SF has a QB controversy not because Smith played badly, but because the ceiling of Kaepernick is so high after he looked so good in the time he was given. He was the guy who was bigger, faster, and had a better arm than Cam in that draft class, that is saying a lot.


What lol. Yeah totally man! Alex Smith is such a dominant QB, it's not like he has a championship caliber squad and staff around him. If you put Smith behind center for the Panthers he would be slaughtered. On the flip side imagine what Cam could achieve in that system that actually plays to their quarterbacks strengths.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:46 AM

What lol. Yeah totally man! Alex Smith is such a dominant QB, it's not like he has a championship caliber squad and staff around him. If you put Smith behind center for the Panthers he would be slaughtered. On the flip side imagine what Cam could achieve in that system that actually plays to their quarterbacks strengths.


well if you compare the YPP and INT % the panthers org and coaching staff is as good as san francisco's.

you will never win against PFFL. he argues from a presuppositional standpoint that quarterbacks win games by themselves (see all the rhetoric in this topic about "leading his team to XYZ") and is a stat cherry picker from hell. he'll also change what he's arguing about when the numbers don't wash anymore. last year he argued passionately that YPP (yards per point) was the ultimate, final, one stop shop offensive statistic and he used it endlessly to argue against cam because we were putting up tons of yards but points scored wasn't really reflecting it. then he abandoned it after our offense became a lot more efficient on the back stretch of 2011 and our YPP wound up in the top half of the league.

i also like the remarks about cam getting rivera and chudzinski fired. as if cam is in chud's ear forcing him to call some of the worst games i've ever seen.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:52 AM

That doesn't make me feel any better about being 2-8.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:55 AM

That doesn't make me feel any better about being 2-8.


i didn't get my giant edit in in time. added more information that explains it better.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:57 AM

What lol. Yeah totally man! Alex Smith is such a dominant QB, it's not like he has a championship caliber squad and staff around him. If you put Smith behind center for the Panthers he would be slaughtered. On the flip side imagine what Cam could achieve in that system that actually plays to their quarterbacks strengths.


Smith was playing well completing 70% of his passes for the same yards per attempt as Newton. He's got more tds and fewer interceptions. There is nothing for a Panther fan to talk poo about the guy, nothing at all.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:00 AM

Smith was playing well completing 70% of his passes for the same yards per attempt as Newton. He's got more tds and fewer interceptions. There is nothing for a Panther fan to talk poo about the guy, nothing at all.


people still have a sore ass about smith allegedly insulting our quarterback in the media i guess.

smith's story is pretty amazing and should actually stand as a parable about not giving up on a quarterback when he clearly hasn't had good coaching. smith was willing to hang in there and put in the work and it paid off for him with a great season and deep playoff run after umpteen years. if anything his story should be used as an example of why you shouldn't always give up on a quarterback if they have had a rocky start to their career.

cam is clearly a hard worker and coachable. a good coaching staff will help him reach his potential like harbaugh has done/is doing with smith and kaepernick in san francisco.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

Smith was playing well completing 70% of his passes for the same yards per attempt as Newton. He's got more tds and fewer interceptions. There is nothing for a Panther fan to talk poo about the guy, nothing at all.


Not sure who's talking poo about Smith. I'm not, I have nothing against him. I am simply stating the obvious in that the two QB's in San Francisco are in a totally different and far more advantagous situation in general than our quarterback. We have a lame duck staff and the team is in disarray. How the hell can you compare that.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:07 AM

i didn't get my giant edit in in time. added more information that explains it better.


Yeah my mistake. Honestly I forgot that little prick was back, I usually bypass his walls of drivel text.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:07 AM

Not sure who's talking poo about Smith, I'm not because I have nothing against him. I am simply stating the obvious in that the two QB's in San Francisco are in a totally different and far more advantagous situation in general than our quarterback. We have a lame duck staff and the team is in disarray. How the hell can you compare that.


yeah and the people making that argument (meaning the direct comparison between cam/smith/kaepernick) are also forgetting that smith was considered one of the biggest busts of all time and san francisco made a bunch of bad coaching hires that couldn't develop him which made him look the part.

i guess they just don't know the guy's history and don't understand how much SF sucked for so many years. smith was drafted in 2005 and only actually looked like a starting NFL quarterback in 2011.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

Exactly, Smith was a joke for years. The right coach in Harbaugh came along and made him look like an all pro.

Who knew quality coaching could improve players.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

Sorry, I think you missed the point.

People who want to defend the honor of Newton against Smith have no leg to stand on. Smith has been winning s the guy who was bigger, faster, and had a better arm than Cam in that draft class, that is saying a lot.


Has he now?

Has anyone notified Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Mario Manningham, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Carlos Rogers, et. al. that its been SMITH that's been winning?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:25 AM

Alex Smith winning LMAO

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

well if you compare the YPP and INT % the panthers org and coaching staff is as good as san francisco's.

you will never win against PFFL. he argues from a presuppositional standpoint that quarterbacks win games by themselves (see all the rhetoric in this topic about "leading his team to XYZ") and is a stat cherry picker from hell. he'll also change what he's arguing about when the numbers don't wash anymore. last year he argued passionately that YPP (yards per point) was the ultimate, final, one stop shop offensive statistic and he used it endlessly to argue against cam because we were putting up tons of yards but points scored wasn't really reflecting it. then he abandoned it after our offense became a lot more efficient on the back stretch of 2011 and our YPP wound up in the top half of the league.

i also like the remarks about cam getting rivera and chudzinski fired. as if cam is in chud's ear forcing him to call some of the worst games i've ever seen.


Still is and hasn't changed and I never abandoned it. And it proved right as the results spoke for themselves. We were inefficient. We still are. Cam was like the Jack Tayler of the NFL, putting up 138 points but needed to take 108 shots. Although we were probably worse than that. He was still shooting efficiently enough to have a positive PER but you get the idea.

When we became more efficient, we started winning.

However, we still finished 20th in net yards per point. We became more efficient on offense because of our better field position due to turnovers, mainly against the Tampa Bay games. Scoring on short field position gives you a better yard per point coefficient. But if you checked the opponents yards per point, our offense was STILL putting out defense in poor field position due to them going 3 and out and failing to score.


This year we are 28th, and our record also ties us for 28th in the league. And we still can't score which is what I was pointing to last year...Go figure...


And the top 10 offenses in scoring efficiency are still winning......and they will in 2013 too. Because this is a fact of all sports. The most efficient scoring teams generally win.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

It probably helps that they have 0 weaknesses at all there other positions. Theyre probably one of the most well rounded teams in the league.


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