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#46 Mr. Scot

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:24 AM

Excellent post.

People forget that Cam was going to be a bit of a project because if the things he was not asked to do in college. He had great success last season and the bar was quickly raised.

He needs time to develop and a good coaching staff to develop him.

It is ridiculous to move in from him now.


This season is making that a bigger challenge though.

It's taking away a lot of what he had learned to this point and reinforcing bad habits (basically the David Carr effect).

If they want to save him for future seasons, the best thing the staff could do might just be to shut him down. But they won't, because they need wins to save their collective asses and Newton is their best shot at that.

I'm starting to have a real concern that this staff will ruin Newton like the Texans staff ruined Carr.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:46 AM

This season is making that a bigger challenge though.

It's taking away a lot of what he had learned to this point and reinforcing bad habits (basically the David Carr effect).

If they want to save him for future seasons, the best thing the staff could do might just be to shut him down. But they won't, because they need wins to save their collective asses and Newton is their best shot at that.

I'm starting to have a real concern that this staff will ruin Newton like the Texans staff ruined Carr.


I agree with you that I also think the majority of this year's issues with Cam is due to coaching and scheme.

That is why I fully agree with sending RR and crew packing.....and giving Cam a chance under a different staff.

Without going do, we are not giving the young man a real opportunity to succeed.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:52 AM

Oh my god, here comes the David Carr references. Let's settle down here. You guys are acting like he didn't play well this past Sunday. You don't bench him because his coaches are incompetent. Great plan.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:10 PM

Oh my god, here comes the David Carr references. Let's settle down here. You guys are acting like he didn't play well this past Sunday. You don't bench him because his coaches are incompetent. Great plan.


You're not getting the reference.

You don't bench him to punish him.

You bench him to protect him.

Carr was a kid with loads of potential who was pretty well ruined by the way his coaches handled him. If you think that can't happen to Newton, think again. He's already resurrected some bad habits that looked to have been gone. Playing behind an awful line in a poor scheme will do that to a young quarterback.

I don't want to see him ruined, but the chances of this staff taking steps to protect him while their jobs are on the line is pretty much zero.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:13 PM

Youre better off not paying attention to what that guy writes Mr Scott. Most of us knew exactly what you meant and I agree. - the game where Newton got sacked 7 times I wanted him on the bench for just that reason.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:16 PM

I agree with you that I also think the majority of this year's issues with Cam is due to coaching and scheme.

That is why I fully agree with sending RR and crew packing.....and giving Cam a chance under a different staff.

Without going do, we are not giving the young man a real opportunity to succeed.


Agreed, but his remaining in there now is making the job of rebuilding him that much tougher for whomever coaches him next.

There's pretty much zero shot of him sitting, but at this point I think it'd be the best thing for his future.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:20 PM

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:30 PM

You're not getting the reference.

You don't bench him to punish him.

You bench him to protect him.

Carr was a kid with loads of potential who was pretty well ruined by the way his coaches handled him. If you think that can't happen to Newton, think again. He's already resurrected some bad habits that looked to have been gone. Playing behind an awful line in a poor scheme will do that to a young quarterback.

I don't want to see him ruined, but the chances of this staff taking steps to protect him while their jobs are on the line is pretty much zero.


No, I absolutely get the reference. I disagree with it completely. Any comparing of him to our quarterback is really grasping at straws. Carr was just hot garbage and a complete mess mentally. Cam has struggled, but it's way too early for this comparison. Benching Cam now does nothing for him but say we don't have confidence in him.

Besides, Derek Anderson will likely get killed back there. He isn't very good anyway, just the honest truth.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:33 PM

No, I absolutely get the reference. I disagree with it completely. Any comparing of him to our quarterback is really grasping at straws. Carr was just hot garbage and a complete mess mentally. Cam has struggled, but it's way too early for this comparison. Benching Cam now does nothing for him but say we don't have confidence in him.

Besides, Derek Anderson will likely get killed back there. He isn't very good anyway.


Carr had plenty of potential and could have been a starter in this league (he's still a backup) but he was horribly mishandled.

If Cam's ego can't handle sitting in a wasted season, then he hasn't got what it takes to lead. Leaders have to be able to handle adversity.

I see zero benefit in continuing to send Newton out there like a lamb to the slaughter.

I also see zero chance that anything other than that is what will happen.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:40 PM

Nobody ruined Carr, he just sucked. Schaub came in after him and has thrived in Houston. David Carr ruined himself and has never had a good season or been able to read NFL defenses.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:48 PM

Carr wasn't taught to read defenses. The coaches just told him to throw it to a spot. His own teammates testified to that.

Failure to teach him the proper way to play the game coupled with throwing him out behind offensive lines that couldn't protect him relegated him from being a potential star to a career backup.

And if you think that can't happen to Newton, think again. We're watching it happen.

That's why the best thing for his future would be to sit him until a new staff is in place, but since the current staff has zero interest in doing anything but saving their own jobs, so he'll continue to be sent out into the worst case scenario for him.

And there's not a darn thing anybody can do about it.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

I agree that it could possible turn into a David Carr situation but I think it's a lot less likely.
Though Carr had potential I dont recall him having any success as an NFL quarterback.

Cam on the other hand when things are not going well can take himself back to his rookie year knowing that he did have a good year and can compete in this league something David Carr could never say.
That being said I wouldn't mind them shutting Cam down for the remainder of the year to make sure there's no long term effects, but like someone said earlier the coaches would never do that.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:06 PM

ahh the Huddle

as if the situation in Houston Carr era is the same as it has been Schaubb era. OMG another horrible example of KT logic. unbelieveable

are the huddlers that wish Cam sat year one ready to give Weinke and Jimmy the Pick the same amount of rope. Both of whom were in considerably worse positions as starters in their respective years considering the personnel.

was anybody. ANYBODY questioning the start of Cam Newton ANYWHERE last season once he completed his first game.

stop making excused for him. stop babying him. stop treating him like he is made of glass and will shatter if you give him a shake.

Kid needs some tough love and he is getting it. If not from the fans then definitely from the W-L column delivered by opposing teams. Failure sucks and he supposedly hates it. Let's see if he can do something about it besides transferring this time.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

Carr had plenty of potential and could have been a starter in this league (he's still a backup) but he was horribly mishandled.

If Cam's ego can't handle sitting in a wasted season, then he hasn't got what it takes to lead. Leaders have to be able to handle adversity.

I see zero benefit in continuing to send Newton out there like a lamb to the slaughter.

I also see zero chance that anything other than that is what will happen.


Well as far as Carr goes, I think people place too much blame on his coaches.

People said Ryan Leaf had potential too, along with a laundry list of other quarterbacks. At the end of the day it's on that players shoulders to have the perseverance and desire to succeed. Without that, talent is irrelevant.

For Cam, as long as he gives us the best chance to win he should be our starter.


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