Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

What Happens if DeAngelo Williams is Cut or Traded?


  • Please log in to reply
73 replies to this topic

#46 Bwood

Bwood

    It's all about the

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,491 posts
  • LocationSouthern California

Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:20 AM

Too many guys just wanting new faces around here...especially Tar Heel players.

Any UNC fan here would dump Williams for gio Bernard in a heart beat, regardless of very thing he's done for this team an how great of a person he is.

This is by the team needs to come to LA, North Carolina needs to just stick with college.

#47 Marguide

Marguide

    South of the Border

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,377 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:23 AM

cutting him in the offseason won't make the team better and it will leave the team with less money to work with for the next year and less talent to work with.

not sure how that's being improved in the short term. long term i can see it, but short term...nah. he's still good. not worth the money, by any means but unless the new gm can work something out where it won't hurt the cap more to let him go than to keep him next year the team won't be better with him gone.


We could cut him post June 1 and pickup about 1 to 1.5 million in cap savings for next year. However, in 2014 we would still have 6.4 million in dead money offset by 5.8 in salary, so it would be slightly negative that year.

Keep in mind that you would still have to replace him with another player on the 53 man roster, so that eats up some of the savings for next year. So with the small savings we'd have next year, they could just decide to keep him unless they could get something of value for him in trade.

Let's say they keep him next year. Cutting him post June 1 in 2014 would save us 2.5 million for that year, and 3.5 million in 2015. From a cap/value standpoint, that option may be the more logical choice.

It may not be strictly a cap decision. They may decide they can make better use of the roster spot elsewhere, or a trade could always tip the scales against him. The bottom line is we aren't going to see much change cap wise from keeping him or cutting him until 2014 at the earliest.

#48 csx

csx

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,780 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:02 AM

Too many guys just wanting new faces around here...especially Tar Heel players.

Any UNC fan here would dump Williams for gio Bernard in a heart beat, regardless of very thing he's done for this team an how great of a person he is.

This is by the team needs to come to LA, North Carolina needs to just stick with college.


I hate the Tarheels with a passion and would take Bernard over Williams in a heartbeat.

#49 DaCityKats

DaCityKats

    feed KB 2014

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,497 posts
  • LocationDa City

Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:07 AM

nothing, you still a guy that impressed on the ps, and ir.and Tolbert and Stew.

#50 MadHatter

MadHatter

    The Only Voice of Reason

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,006 posts
  • LocationDark Side of the Moon

Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:08 AM

cutting him in the offseason won't make the team better and it will leave the team with less money to work with for the next year and less talent to work with.

not sure how that's being improved in the short term. long term i can see it, but short term...nah. he's still good. not worth the money, by any means but unless the new gm can work something out where it won't hurt the cap more to let him go than to keep him next year the team won't be better with him gone.


With the issues thus team has....likely new HC....new GM....I think you are going to see moves that are for the Ming term and n

#51 MadHatter

MadHatter

    The Only Voice of Reason

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,006 posts
  • LocationDark Side of the Moon

Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:09 AM

cutting him in the offseason won't make the team better and it will leave the team with less money to work with for the next year and less talent to work with.

not sure how that's being improved in the short term. long term i can see it, but short term...nah. he's still good. not worth the money, by any means but unless the new gm can work something out where it won't hurt the cap more to let him go than to keep him next year the team won't be better with him gone.


With the issues thus team has....likely new HC....new GM....I think you are going to see moves that are for the long term and not the short term. Thus, I think it us probably a foregone conclusion that this is DLo's last season as a Panther.

They likely will take the short term lumps to make the right long term move.

#52 rayzor

rayzor

    shula is who i thought he was.

  • Moderators
  • -29,936 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:25 AM

With the issues thus team has....likely new HC....new GM....I think you are going to see moves that are for the Ming term and not the short term. Thus, I think it us probably a foregone conclusion that this is DLo's last season as a Panther.

They likely will take the short term lumps to make the right long term move.

Posted Imageour new GM or HC?
i'm cool either way. we need to be more merciless towards opponents.

#53 rayzor

rayzor

    shula is who i thought he was.

  • Moderators
  • -29,936 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:26 AM

the ming dynasty is only a draft away.

#54 CRA

CRA

    Senior Member

  • Moderators
  • 23,897 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:13 AM

Carolina will make moves will being good in 2014 in mind. Doesn't mean they will try to suck in 2013 but they are gonna take some stuff on the chin in 13.

Only way to get out of the Hurney mess is to look at 2014. Sitting on these guys is something we simply can't do...

#55 MadHatter

MadHatter

    The Only Voice of Reason

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,006 posts
  • LocationDark Side of the Moon

Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:15 AM

Posted Imageour new GM or HC?
i'm cool either way. we need to be more merciless towards opponents.

Damn I hate the iPhone keyboard (too damn small) and this damn auto spelling. Screws me every time.

#56 MadHatter

MadHatter

    The Only Voice of Reason

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,006 posts
  • LocationDark Side of the Moon

Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:16 AM

Carolina will make moves will being good in 2014 in mind. Doesn't mean they will try to suck in 2013 but they are gonna take some stuff on the chin in 13.

Only way to get out of the Hurney mess is to look at 2014. Sitting on these guys is something we simply can't do...


Agree. We have some tough and ST cap unfriendly decisions that must be made for the long term success of this team.

#57 CatMan72

CatMan72

    KEEP POUNDING

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,902 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:26 AM

Would hate to see us cut/trade DeAngelo and then start running an offense that actually compliments his skills (see Greg Olsen)

#58 rayzor

rayzor

    shula is who i thought he was.

  • Moderators
  • -29,936 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:26 AM

Carolina will make moves will being good in 2014 in mind. Doesn't mean they will try to suck in 2013 but they are gonna take some stuff on the chin in 13.

Only way to get out of the Hurney mess is to look at 2014. Sitting on these guys is something we simply can't do...

they can't afford to be less than 8-8 in any year after this one. they don't have to be playoff bound next year, but they have to get up to .500 or fans are just going to quit bothering in even bigger numbers than they have been.

plus, 2013 is the year that they can start working out a new contract with cam. if we can't manage a winning season in his third year here i doubt that there is going to be much incentive for him to stay.

after this season is over, the panthers are in "win now" mode. they can't afford to take another year on the chin. that's all they've managed to do since we got embarrassed in the playoffs last time. they no longer have the luxury of trying to take time to rebuild.

more than likely, at least in my opinion, unless there is a clear benefit to the cap by letting a vet player go or an obvious upgrade available, they won't be moving on from them. they have enough holes to fill as it is without adding more.

#59 MadHatter

MadHatter

    The Only Voice of Reason

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,006 posts
  • LocationDark Side of the Moon

Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:01 AM

they can't afford to be less than 8-8 in any year after this one. they don't have to be playoff bound next year, but they have to get up to .500 or fans are just going to quit bothering in even bigger numbers than they have been.

plus, 2013 is the year that they can start working out a new contract with cam. if we can't manage a winning season in his third year here i doubt that there is going to be much incentive for him to stay.

after this season is over, the panthers are in "win now" mode. they can't afford to take another year on the chin. that's all they've managed to do since we got embarrassed in the playoffs last time. they no longer have the luxury of trying to take time to rebuild.

more than likely, at least in my opinion, unless there is a clear benefit to the cap by letting a vet player go or an obvious upgrade available, they won't be moving on from them. they have enough holes to fill as it is without adding more.


I think you are giving fans' opinions too much credit. They are smart enough to know that they need to make decisions, no matter how unpopular to fans, fir the betterment of the team.

I will guarantee you that the question of "what will fans think if this" won't even be a factor.

#60 rayzor

rayzor

    shula is who i thought he was.

  • Moderators
  • -29,936 posts

Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:18 AM

I think you are giving fans' opinions too much credit. They are smart enough to know that they need to make decisions, no matter how unpopular to fans, fir the betterment of the team.

I will guarantee you that the question of "what will fans think if this" won't even be a factor.

well, it's not even the fans. it's JR. contrary to what others believe, i think he does have a soul. and i think he's got pride that's been hurt by providing the fans and esp. his PSL owners a crappy product for several years. i think he also knows he's living on borrowed time and probably would like to make it up to everyone for what he's ultimately responsible for.

and no, i'm not kin to him. i'm not his employee. i've never even seen his jock strap. no, i have no desire to.


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Contact Us: info@carolinahuddle.com - IP Content Design by Joshua Tree / TitansReport.