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Mr. Scot

If you knew then what you know now...

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I understand what you're saying. But, they should've added wrinkles to that scheme instead of running a completely different style.

what they're running now isn't as drastic a change as the huddle would make it seem.

after sitting down and watching a full lions game for the first time in ages, i believe i see what carolina wants to do.

if he can work out the kinks in his game, he can execute it.

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Start him.

The best rookie QB of all time.

I think its a mixture of immaturity in Cam, coaching and not allowing Cam to grow by not treating him like he is still learning the game. Still, I would have started him.

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Start him.

The best rookie QB of all time.

I think its a mixture of immaturity in Cam, coaching and not allowing Cam to grow by not treating him like he is still learning the game. Still, I would have started him.

Ask again what I asked above...

What good is that all time great rookie season doing us, or him, right now?

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You've tapped into part of what I'm pondering here.

Suppose Newton had sat and learned all the nuances of a pro offense for the first season. Would Chudzinski still have felt the need - for whatever reason- to switch to a college style offense in year two?

I know people will go with the "he set a bunch of rookie records" argument in this. Someone will have to tell me exactly what good those records are doing us right now.

Add in that the benefit of whatever good experience he got last year is being erased by the disaster of this year.

How many teams completely change there offensive style (with the returning staff). All OCs run there same scheme year to year, with added wrinkles. Chud hurt Cam and the offense because he was trying to be creative. Its like 'hey this is working well' 'lets go in a totally different direction and slow our QBs learning'.

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How many teams completely change there offensive style (with the returning staff). All OCs run there same scheme year to year, with added wrinkles. Chud hurt Cam and the offense because he was trying to be creative. Its like 'hey this is working well' 'lets go in a totally different direction and slow our QBs learning'.

But if Newton hadn't played last year, what impetus would there have been to make that drastic a change?

You don't sit a guy for a year to learn a system and then change to a new system.

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You've tapped into part of what I'm pondering here.

Suppose Newton had sat and learned all the nuances of a pro offense for the first season. Would Chudzinski still have felt the need - for whatever reason- to switch to a college style offense in year two?

I know people will go with the "he set a bunch of rookie records" argument in this. Someone will have to tell me exactly what good those records are doing us right now.

Add in that the benefit of whatever good experience he got last year is being erased by the disaster of this year.

The benefit of the experience is intangible, but still a benefit.

If anything, last year showed us that Cam Newton can succeed in this league (and, of course, showed him), which is important. Even this year, we've only been blown out in a couple of games, could easily be 7-3, and Cam has been humbled to some degree. We may not see the benefit of this now, but it manifest itself in the future.

In my mind, this year doesn't erase last year's marginal "success" at all, it just proves how important coaching inexperienced QBs is, and also how important it is to keep expectations in the realm of reality when dealing with a young team.

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the problem was never starting him too early.

He was awesome last year and the "records" have nothing to do with me saying that

He is a completely different player this year and its all between his ears. His arm is not weaker. He did not lose weight, height, or speed. He has not been asked to take on any different roles or play a new position. He just is not getting it done.

Last year he did. This year he didn't.

make all the O-line, play-calling, coaching, running game, wide receiver excuses you want. They have their merit but they do not summarily or individually excuse the fact that this guy is not the same guy.

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The benefit of the experience is intangible, but still a benefit.

If anything, last year showed us that Cam Newton can succeed in this league (and, of course, showed him), which is important. Even this year, we've only been blown out in a couple of games, could easily be 7-3, and Cam has been humbled to some degree. We may not see the benefit of this now, but it manifest itself in the future.

In my mind, this year doesn't erase last year's marginal "success" at all, it just proves how important coaching inexperienced QBs is, and also how important it is to keep expectations in the realm of reality when dealing with a young team.

I think those benefits are being erased by the Carr-like treatment Newton is getting now.

To put it another way, I'd happily sacrifice last year's great rookie season if it meant better things for this season. And right now, I think it would have.

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the problem was never starting him too early.

He was awesome last year and the "records" have nothing to do with me saying that

He is a completely different player this year and its all between his ears. His arm is not weaker. He did not lose weight, height, or speed. He has not been asked to take on any different roles or play a new position. He just is not getting it done.

Last year he did. This year he didn't.

make all the O-line, play-calling, coaching, running game, wide receiver excuses you want. They have their merit but they do not summarily or individually excuse the fact that this guy is not the same guy.

No he's not, but I think he'd be a better guy than he is now if he'd sat for a year, as much as anything because I believe it would have negated the switch to the read option this season and better prepared him for all those new things he's being asked to do.

The atmosphere of the league these days is that long term benefits get sacrificed for short term ones.

I'd much rather Newton had been treated like the Niners treated Colin Kaepernick (with the exception of his starting from day one of year two).

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Ask again what I asked above...

What good is that all time great rookie season doing us, or him, right now?

If Newton doesn't start last year, I think we don't do as well as a team, but it would have been chalked up to Anderson being a mediocre on his best day type of quarterback and therefore, no expectations would have been placed on team success. So if Cam was forced to make his debut this year, with the same play of the offensive line and everything else, it may still have been looked at as a pass year for Rivera/Hurney/Chud/etc. Now that we know what Cam CAN do, and what Rivera/Hurney/Chud can't...we hopefully have a better plan going forward.

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