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#31 TANTRIC-NINJA

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:04 PM

So we cater to former kickers?! No wonder this team never moves forward..too busy thanking avg guys who worked hard and did well.. Fantasic.

I love Kasay but no ring...no need to bend over for this guy. I dont care how often he whispers to ghosts..holy or not

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:00 PM

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:38 AM

Kasay haters are either 18 years old or have short memories. The guy was clutch and associated with so many great moments in panther history. We've been without Kasay for 4 seasons since 1995 (2000 and 2002 due to injury). In 4 years without Kasay weve gone through richie Cunningham, Joe nedney, Jon hilbert, shayne Graham, mare and now medlock as starting kickers. That's 6 kickers in 4 seasons. But yeah, he was just average and easy to replace.

Sad to see rayzor who is usually a thoughtful poster fall on the side of the mouth breathers on here who only remember the super bowl kickoff or who think that we lost games because we couldn't activate an extra special teams player or a 4th WR due to Kasay only kicking FGs the last couple of seasons here.

I hope that the new GM has a clue and that we will find some talent to replace Kasay but to call him average is shortsighted, historically inaccurate and a disservice to the history of the franchise.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:45 AM

we are gonna go bat poo crazy over this guy

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 03:04 PM

Kasay haters are either 18 years old or have short memories. The guy was clutch and associated with so many great moments in panther history. We've been without Kasay for 4 seasons since 1995 (2000 and 2002 due to injury). In 4 years without Kasay weve gone through richie Cunningham, Joe nedney, Jon hilbert, shayne Graham, mare and now medlock as starting kickers. That's 6 kickers in 4 seasons. But yeah, he was just average and easy to replace.

Sad to see rayzor who is usually a thoughtful poster fall on the side of the mouth breathers on here who only remember the super bowl kickoff or who think that we lost games because we couldn't activate an extra special teams player or a 4th WR due to Kasay only kicking FGs the last couple of seasons here.

I hope that the new GM has a clue and that we will find some talent to replace Kasay but to call him average is shortsighted, historically inaccurate and a disservice to the history of the franchise.


...breathing out of mouth...

Kasay is an out of work kicker..if we sign Gano who uses Kasay's number..so what? My point is that yes Kasay has not been replaced and Gano is not likley the answer..but he is just a kicker why is anyone catering to not use his "sacred" number.

The fact that this team never moves on from past players..

Yes, Kasay's legacy cannot be told without the SuperBowl kick either...he won way more games than lost but failed at a basic play at the most crucial time in the most important game. He should not consulted with or get any say on future player signings numbers.

Harsh but true..he is appreciated for his past performance but he is part of the past.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:17 PM

Kasay haters are either 18 years old or have short memories. The guy was clutch and associated with so many great moments in panther history. We've been without Kasay for 4 seasons since 1995 (2000 and 2002 due to injury). In 4 years without Kasay weve gone through richie Cunningham, Joe nedney, Jon hilbert, shayne Graham, mare and now medlock as starting kickers. That's 6 kickers in 4 seasons. But yeah, he was just average and easy to replace.

Sad to see rayzor who is usually a thoughtful poster fall on the side of the mouth breathers on here who only remember the super bowl kickoff or who think that we lost games because we couldn't activate an extra special teams player or a 4th WR due to Kasay only kicking FGs the last couple of seasons here.

I hope that the new GM has a clue and that we will find some talent to replace Kasay but to call him average is shortsighted, historically inaccurate and a disservice to the history of the franchise.

again...not having the guy on a pedestal means i'm a hater?

saying that there's no big deal that someone gets his jersey number or that the first jersey we retire shouldn't be a kicker and that maybe it should be reserved for, i don't know...someone that gets in the HoF?

sorry if i have higher standards for retiring a jersey other than he was here a long time (yes, one of the original panthers) and he was a good guy. ring of honor or give him a statue. either one.

calling me a hater? lol

and you look at where he was ranked for most of the last decade it's respectable, but nothing special. one thing that is interesting is his relation to shayne graham (that filled in for kasay for 11 games in '02 and who i wanted us to pick up when we released kasay).

starting in '03 after he missed most of the '02 season and looking at kickers with one field goal attempt per team game...
'03- 12th with an 84.2 avg (behind graham)
'04- 6th with an 86.4 avg (behind graham)
'05- 23rd with a 76.5 avg (behind graham)
'06- 8th with a 88.9 avg
'07- 14th with a 85.7 avg (behind graham)
'08- 5th with a 90.3 avg
'09- 20th with a 81.5 avg (behind graham)
'10- 9th with a 86.2 avg (graham only played the last games of the season with the pats that year but he was perfect in each of those games: 12 for 12)

now as far as career, pro football reference has him with a lifetime FG avg of 81.883% which puts him at 21st all time career avg. that sounds pretty good, i suppose until you realize that there's 16 ahead of him that are active, including graham that is 6th with a 85.401%.

on field goals made he's 6th all time which is another really impressive stat but then you look at the rest of the top guys on that list and they all pretty much hung on in the league until they were 40+ or nearly 40. the longer you manage to play, the more FGs you make. all you have to do is pretty much just make yourself relevant enough, often enough to keep yourself in the league until you are in your 40s and you'll be among the top. another interesting thing is that among those kickers at the top he is one of a couple who were never all-pro in their career. and if you are one of those who, unlike me, think that the pro-bowl matters...he's only got one. since 1991.

so...when people say he's average or just above average, there's a lot more credence to that so don't get all pissy. he was respectable in his career, but as a kicker he wasn't all that special. he just survived for all but 2 seasons in panthers history.

great guy, but as a kicker....pretty good. not great, but pretty good.

at least that's my opinion. sorry if that makes me a hater.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:34 PM

again...not having the guy on a pedestal means i'm a hater?

saying that there's no big deal that someone gets his jersey number or that the first jersey we retire shouldn't be a kicker and that maybe it should be reserved for, i don't know...someone that gets in the HoF?

sorry if i have higher standards for retiring a jersey other than he was here a long time (yes, one of the original panthers) and he was a good guy. ring of honor or give him a statue. either one.

calling me a hater? lol

and you look at where he was ranked for most of the last decade it's respectable, but nothing special. one thing that is interesting is his relation to shayne graham (that filled in for kasay for 11 games in '02 and who i wanted us to pick up when we released kasay).

starting in '03 after he missed most of the '02 season and looking at kickers with one field goal attempt per team game...
'03- 12th with an 84.2 avg (behind graham)
'04- 6th with an 86.4 avg (behind graham)
'05- 23rd with a 76.5 avg (behind graham)
'06- 8th with a 88.9 avg
'07- 14th with a 85.7 avg (behind graham)
'08- 5th with a 90.3 avg
'09- 20th with a 81.5 avg (behind graham)
'10- 9th with a 86.2 avg (graham only played the last games of the season with the pats that year but he was perfect in each of those games: 12 for 12)

now as far as career, pro football reference has him with a lifetime FG avg of 81.883% which puts him at 21st all time career avg. that sounds pretty good, i suppose until you realize that there's 16 ahead of him that are active, including graham that is 6th with a 85.401%.

on field goals made he's 6th all time which is another really impressive stat but then you look at the rest of the top guys on that list and they all pretty much hung on in the league until they were 40+ or nearly 40. the longer you manage to play, the more FGs you make. all you have to do is pretty much just make yourself relevant enough, often enough to keep yourself in the league until you are in your 40s and you'll be among the top. another interesting thing is that among those kickers at the top he is one of a couple who were never all-pro in their career. and if you are one of those who, unlike me, think that the pro-bowl matters...he's only got one. since 1991.

so...when people say he's average or just above average, there's a lot more credence to that so don't get all pissy. he was respectable in his career, but as a kicker he wasn't all that special. he just survived for all but 2 seasons in panthers history.

great guy, but as a kicker....pretty good. not great, but pretty good.

at least that's my opinion. sorry if that makes me a hater.


Stats n facts just happened.. Also to pile on Kasay lost his ability to effectively kick and cover kickoffs.

Exactly my point..is he a Hall Of Famer..easily no.

Is he THE first Panther and a major cog in the history of the Panthers..yes. Does playing for a long time get you a Statue as some have said..like a buch of crazies.

Shayne Graham is better the last ten years but he missed that extra point against the Packers in his fill in game..something about Charlotte Sod that makes kickers suck.

Also Does he look like..a bitch..

WHAT?!


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