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#25 chef17

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

you are cheering for the team to lose...and we get this a couple times a week and it usually gets this reaction from everyone except the few posters in here who make the threads themselves.

most people don't want their team to lose and could NEVER cheer for them to do so.

it hurts a team to lose. earning a draft pick just isn't worth it.

sorry...you're just over thinking this whole thing and coming to a ridiculous conclusion that says we should especially hope to lose this game.

losing is always bad for a team.


Umm weren't you doing that when we had Clausen?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

"you play to win the game. Hello. You play to win the game". Herm Edwards

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:22 PM

Umm weren't you doing that when we had Clausen?

ummmm.....no.

i didn't have to. i wanted to win, but i was also cheering on the other teams to win who were close to being worse than us, but there really wasn't anyone.

the best thing for the franchise may have been newton, but i would rather that we were never in a position to draft him in the first place. i would rather have been winning. i would rather have had a FO and a coaching staff that was able to make adjustments to not just the games they were playing, but to the league in general. i wish that they hadn't considered the passing game to be a fad that they were too cool to follow. i wish they hadn't been so stubborn and had improved the passing game and tried harder to find a replacement for jake and had done a better job of finding receivers. i wish that they had just done better about building the team to begin with instead being happy with being average.

every losing season we have puts a ring that much further away. and don't point at those teams who are able to turn things around quickly. it's rare.

i'm tired of this losing culture. i'm tired of "fans" who want to lose so they can move up a couple spots in the draft. it's pathetic.

losing teams lose and they are fine with it. winning teams never accept losing. they never allow it.

teams that are serious about wanting to be better never stop fighting.

the draft just isn't that important. one or two more early draft picks aren't going to make this team a perennial winner, but being ok with losing and continuing to do so will only breed more of the same.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:43 PM

ummmm.....no.

i didn't have to. i wanted to win, but i was also cheering on the other teams to win who were close to being worse than us, but there really wasn't anyone.

the best thing for the franchise may have been newton, but i would rather that we were never in a position to draft him in the first place. i would rather have been winning. i would rather have had a FO and a coaching staff that was able to make adjustments to not just the games they were playing, but to the league in general. i wish that they hadn't considered the passing game to be a fad that they were too cool to follow. i wish they hadn't been so stubborn and had improved the passing game and tried harder to find a replacement for jake and had done a better job of finding receivers. i wish that they had just done better about building the team to begin with instead being happy with being average.

every losing season we have puts a ring that much further away. and don't point at those teams who are able to turn things around quickly. it's rare.

i'm tired of this losing culture. i'm tired of "fans" who want to lose so they can move up a couple spots in the draft. it's pathetic.

losing teams lose and they are fine with it. winning teams never accept losing. they never allow it.

teams that are serious about wanting to be better never stop fighting.

the draft just isn't that important. one or two more early draft picks aren't going to make this team a perennial winner, but being ok with losing and continuing to do so will only breed more of the same.


http://www.carolinah...-have-top-pick/

i don't think so and i don't think it's wrong to pull for them to lose out the season...as long as it results in us being able to get a guy that we can build the team around for the next 1-15 years and will get us a couple rings.

i believe in sacrificing things to get a bigger reward. if we sacrifice this season, we could end up winning big. call it a gamble. call it an investment.


Saying it's not wrong to want to lose and it's ok to sacrifice a season sounds the same as wanting the team to lose imo. Either way, you went from its ok to sacrifice the 2010 season to losing is never ok which is still a contradiction.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:55 PM

With the cap/rookie contracts the way they are the Chiefs and Jags would be pretty stupid not to take a QB of the future in favor of a left tackle. Cassel and Gabbert are both terrible and both teams have above average LTs with Eugene Monroe and Branden Albert.

We need to win this game so that the QB of the future for this franchise has some confidence that he can actually win a game. Let's hope the morons on this coaching staff don't ruin it because this kid has endured some pretty ridiculous criticism due to the ignoramus that calls the plays..

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:08 PM

With the new GM and new coach (let's be real) needing all of the help they can get, I literally get ill thinking about winning any of these remaining games. Especially when reading an article like this, http://nflsfuture.co...n-aprils-draft/, Logically, at this point at least, with the Chiefs and perhaps Jaguars not having OL as their biggest need, it's reasonable to think that the loser of this game might lean very strongly towards taking this guy that some actually think is better than Joe Thomas and Matt Kalil.

Of all the remaining "must lose" games, I consider this the most important-one meaningless win or protecting our QB for 10-15 years?

For anyone that disagrees, would you trade one of our 7 wins in 2007 (Denver also had 7 but won the tiebreaker), that would have given us Ryan Clady over Jeff Otah? (highly probable we would have drafted Clady and gotten a RB (we took Stewart) later, with no need to trade for Otah) (Not to mention the 1st round pick in 2009 we gave up (could have been Hakeem Nicks), 2nd in 2008 (could have been Desean Jackson, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, etc.) and 4th in 2008 (could have been Jacob Tamme or Carl Nicks). Sure, it was under Hurney, but the new GM/coach MIGHT actually know what they're doing, and winning that ONE extra meaningless game DID change everything!!! And it wasn't for good!!!!

Doesn't matter how/what/when/where/to what extent, just LOSE!!!!!


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:29 PM

I don't want the team to lose but

I've stopped being dissapointed about it. And now, draft picks are an upside to the losses. People have to find ways to cope with this bullshit.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

http://www.carolinah...-have-top-pick/
Saying it's not wrong to want to lose and it's ok to sacrifice a season sounds the same as wanting the team to lose imo. Either way, you went from its ok to sacrifice the 2010 season to losing is never ok which is still a contradiction.

so i disagree with what i said then. not a big deal. have you never had an opinion at one point only to later find out that it wasn't right or that you don't think that way anymore?

at any rate, one thing i have been saying in these discussions is that there is no player in this draft or need so great that it would be worth it to tank or lose out.

cam and luck were unique situations. sometimes in unique situations you find yourself compromising ideals that you normally wouldn't. call it a momentary lapse of reason. it happens.

either way, i don't think that it's worth it to lose out and i won't cheer for them to do so. the team has lost enough.

as a side note, it's a bit funny to me that an effort was made to find some post i made where i disagreed with myself. hardly think it's worth the effort, but whatever.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:06 PM

so i disagree with what i said then. not a big deal. have you never had an opinion at one point only to later find out that it wasn't right or that you don't think that way anymore?

at any rate, one thing i have been saying in these discussions is that there is no player in this draft or need so great that it would be worth it to tank or lose out.

cam and luck were unique situations. sometimes in unique situations you find yourself compromising ideals that you normally wouldn't. call it a momentary lapse of reason. it happens.

either way, i don't think that it's worth it to lose out and i won't cheer for them to do so. the team has lost enough.

as a side note, it's a bit funny to me that an effort was made to find some post i made where i disagreed with myself. hardly think it's worth the effort, but whatever.


A search is hardly any effort. Just find any Luck thread and it was full of retarded posts. And changing opinions is fine but you should own up to it instead of lying.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:09 PM

So you're not absolutely humiliated as a fan at the thought of having the number one pick two out of three years?

Screw that bro

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

A search is hardly any effort. Just find any Luck thread and it was full of retarded posts. And changing opinions is fine but you should own up to it instead of lying.

it's not lying if i didn't remember saying that. and i didn't deny it after it was pointed out, did i?

being wrong just isn't that big of a deal to me, neither is being right.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:16 PM

I've never considered a bad memory an excuse for lying but to each his own