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#31 Lumps

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:29 PM

I don't want the team to lose but

I've stopped being dissapointed about it. And now, draft picks are an upside to the losses. People have to find ways to cope with this bullshit.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

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Saying it's not wrong to want to lose and it's ok to sacrifice a season sounds the same as wanting the team to lose imo. Either way, you went from its ok to sacrifice the 2010 season to losing is never ok which is still a contradiction.

so i disagree with what i said then. not a big deal. have you never had an opinion at one point only to later find out that it wasn't right or that you don't think that way anymore?

at any rate, one thing i have been saying in these discussions is that there is no player in this draft or need so great that it would be worth it to tank or lose out.

cam and luck were unique situations. sometimes in unique situations you find yourself compromising ideals that you normally wouldn't. call it a momentary lapse of reason. it happens.

either way, i don't think that it's worth it to lose out and i won't cheer for them to do so. the team has lost enough.

as a side note, it's a bit funny to me that an effort was made to find some post i made where i disagreed with myself. hardly think it's worth the effort, but whatever.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:06 PM

so i disagree with what i said then. not a big deal. have you never had an opinion at one point only to later find out that it wasn't right or that you don't think that way anymore?

at any rate, one thing i have been saying in these discussions is that there is no player in this draft or need so great that it would be worth it to tank or lose out.

cam and luck were unique situations. sometimes in unique situations you find yourself compromising ideals that you normally wouldn't. call it a momentary lapse of reason. it happens.

either way, i don't think that it's worth it to lose out and i won't cheer for them to do so. the team has lost enough.

as a side note, it's a bit funny to me that an effort was made to find some post i made where i disagreed with myself. hardly think it's worth the effort, but whatever.


A search is hardly any effort. Just find any Luck thread and it was full of retarded posts. And changing opinions is fine but you should own up to it instead of lying.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:09 PM

So you're not absolutely humiliated as a fan at the thought of having the number one pick two out of three years?

Screw that bro

#35 rayzor

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

A search is hardly any effort. Just find any Luck thread and it was full of retarded posts. And changing opinions is fine but you should own up to it instead of lying.

it's not lying if i didn't remember saying that. and i didn't deny it after it was pointed out, did i?

being wrong just isn't that big of a deal to me, neither is being right.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:16 PM

I've never considered a bad memory an excuse for lying but to each his own

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

More loser talk...nothing to see here.


More dumbass talk seems like it.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:24 PM

I've never considered a bad memory an excuse for lying but to each his own

how did i lie?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:37 PM

I just don't understand True fans wanting to lose on purpose. I do understand the desire to want better draft picks....but NOT at the expense of losing intentionally. I want to win, but I don't think that tanking our season and our players morale is the answer. The answer is COACHING!

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:33 PM

how did i lie?

Umm weren't you doing that when we had Clausen?

ummmm.....no.

i didn't have to. i wanted to win, but i was also cheering on the other teams to win who were close to being worse than us, but there really wasn't anyone.


As I said, I've never considered a bad memory a reason to say it wasn't a lie but to each their own

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:12 AM

I want to see my team win. Al Davis said it best. Top draft picks doesn't always pan out great so why tank your current season just to get better positioning in the draft? These are professionals who take pride in what they do and truthfully many are playing for the jobs so no.

We will be fine. All I do as a fan, is watch, cheer and enjoy the games. I'm not a gm so I will not worry about draft picks or salary caps because that means nothing to me. I just want to see my boys win!

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:57 AM

As I said, I've never considered a bad memory a reason to say it wasn't a lie but to each their own

meh.....if i didn't remember i didn't remember.

not a big deal. doesn't make it a lie, but whatever chief.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:23 AM

There are no sure things in the draft at any spot.

Losing to increase the chances of drafting any player is an exercise in stupidity.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:08 AM

As I've said before, tanking the season would be difficult to pull off when you have guys playing for the lives of their careers. It would take a coaching sabotage, and while it often seems like that is what Rivera and Chud are doing, I don't think their jobs are safe enough for that to be the case.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:56 PM

There are no sure things in the draft at any spot.


Obviously this is true, but, according to the generic trade value chart, there is a 1,700 "point" difference between the #1 overall pick and the #10 overall pick (possible if we do finish 4-2 again, 6-10 overall), basically pissing away the value of ANOTHER top 5 pick! Even the drop from #5 to #10 is equivalent "value" of throwing away a top 50 draft pick. That's not even including picking 5-10 spots down in EVERY single round, on a team with multiple holes to fill...http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

These are not just invaluable on the field, but could play a large factor in contract negotiations/luring our new GM and coach.


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