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#11 Kurb

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:31 AM

Our company is constantly looking for experienced welders and experienced machinists (lathe operators, etc).

It is damn near impossible to find good qualified candidates.



Why not have programs that take people who want to learn and educate them in exchange for time served at a slightly lower rat?. Then once they have payed back the schooling in time worked they can earn like "high skilled" workers .

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:16 AM

South Carolina provides customized worker training to new or expanding companies at little to no cost for the employer (and none for potential employee) as part of its incentive package. The workers are trained to specific jobs and specifications of the company. While there is no obligation to hire (and none to take a position), typically speaking, they are matched appropriately. If a worker is trained but not hired by that company, they still have transferable skills to take elsewhere.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

Why not have programs that take people who want to learn and educate them in exchange for time served at a slightly lower rat?. Then once they have payed back the schooling in time worked they can earn like "high skilled" workers .


because companies don't want to pay to train their own workers.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:30 PM

Our company is constantly looking for experienced welders and experienced machinists (lathe operators, etc).

It is damn near impossible to find good qualified candidates.


What is your company paying welders and machinists?

I know several unemployed welders and I know other welders who are qualified but would laugh at what your company wants to pay (myself included in that last category)

I know a person who was recently laid off as a lathe operator. She had worked this job for the past 15 years.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:36 PM

because companies don't want to pay to train their own workers.


This may be true in some cases (but certainly not all), and it surely doesn't make sense.

When we do hire, we hire college graduates and in general, they have NONE of the skills we need and have to be trained from the bottom up...

What I look for is a person that has software and file system management skills and that can and is willing to learn... if they have that, we can work with it, and we HAVE to train them.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:03 PM

Why not have programs that take people who want to learn and educate them in exchange for time served at a slightly lower rat?. Then once they have payed back the schooling in time worked they can earn like "high skilled" workers .


We actually have several apprentice type of programs where we do this. We hire many newly trained people and provide them on the job training. We also have entered into programs with local tech schools where we actually provide scholarships and training programs in conjunction with the school.

However, we had an aged workforce for these positions. As many have retired over the past several years, we were left light on experience.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:15 PM

We actually have several apprentice type of programs where we do this. We hire many newly trained people and provide them on the job training. We also have entered into programs with local tech schools where we actually provide scholarships and training programs in conjunction with the school.

However, we had an aged workforce for these positions. As many have retired over the past several years, we were left light on experience.



Just not enough emphasis on trades.
I wish I had done several things different.
Learning a trade skill like Mason work or Welding is one of them.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:16 PM

What is your company paying welders and machinists?

I know several unemployed welders and I know other welders who are qualified but would laugh at what your company wants to pay (myself included in that last category)

I know a person who was recently laid off as a lathe operator. She had worked this job for the past 15 years.


Most of our opportunities are in Wisconsin and Houston. Do any of your friends live in those areas?

And you comment about them "laughing at what our company would offer...including yourself" is a shame. I would say that someone unemployed would want to take a position making a good wage.

Oh wait....I forgot....they can just sit on their ass and draw unemployment and entitlements.

By your comments about them.....I doubt they meet our standards as good employees.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:16 PM

Just not enough emphasis on trades.
I wish I had done several things different.
Learning a trade skill like Mason work or Welding is one of them.


I agree.

Really good and skilled machinists, etc are just damn hard to find.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:09 PM

Most of our opportunities are in Wisconsin and Houston. Do any of your friends live in those areas?

And you comment about them "laughing at what our company would offer...including yourself" is a shame. I would say that someone unemployed would want to take a position making a good wage.

Oh wait....I forgot....they can just sit on their ass and draw unemployment and entitlements.

By your comments about them.....I doubt they meet our standards as good employees.


when wages have been lowered to the point where unemployment garners a comparable amount of money... your solution is to get rid of unemployment and force people to work for lower wages?

lots of work + a lack of skilled labor= lower wages?


that's not how capitalism is supposed to work.


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