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Keyshawn on Mike Shula

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Just posted this in another thread less specific about this issue:

Who has he been given? In my quick search the two Qbs that have mainly played in his years as a Qb coach are Fielder and Garrard. And he had them years after they came Nfl. If your a position coach, when your given lack of talent, I don't think you should be judged on the absence of talent produced.

The one Qb with talent that came to Shula was Newton , and look what happened. That's not to say Shula was the biggest factor. But there's credit he deserves.

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Mike Shula is a piece of poo for being okay with Cam sitting by himself after drives.

Cam isn't a perfect player. Should we really expect him to walk up to Shula and ask, "Can you coach me?"?

Fire this scrub. Hire Weinke.

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When in the hell did we care what Keyshawn Johnson has to say???

When he made the point that Mike Shula is basically riding off the coattails of his father. He also said what QB has Mike Shula made great. That just about sums it up.

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What?? Pennington definitely isn't a HoFer but he had a million times more success than weinke EVER had

bar's not set so high there.

pennington had a weak arm and a body made of glass. he only played started 16 games in a season twice out of two years and aside from that the most he ever started was 12 and 13 games and really only 4 years that he started more than 10 games. he only had more than 20 TDs once (of course getting hurt and missing so many games didn't help). he only had 6 games where he threw for over 300 yards. i think he only had 9 games in his career that he threw 3+ TDs. he was efficient, but not really more than that. he had quite a bit more TDs than INTs and more wins than losses, but he was never one of the best in the game. in his most productive year he was barely top 10.

i always thought, though, that he was one of the smarter QBs out there, he just didn't have the body to handle the league long term or the ability to play to equal his football IQ. i just had a lot of respect for him and always wished he'd been able to do more and hoped that at miami he would do well, but it just didn't happen.

both pennington and weinke, though, were never as good as they could have been. i think both were and are better suited to be coaches. i actually hoped a couple years back that we'd pick up pennington when i knew he was going to be released so that he could help groom whatever young QB we had starting. i could think of few QBs i'd rather have carrying a clipboard on the sidelines offering vet insight to a young QB and i can't think of many that i would rather have in QBs meetings working with a young QB to help him recognize things that defenses were doing and ways it could be beaten.

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When he made the point that Mike Shula is basically riding off the coattails of his father. He also said what QB has Mike Shula made great. That just about sums it up.

i actually feel the same way about the ryan twins. both are better suited to be DCs. neither should be HCs.

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Thanks you Keyshawn. Without your expertise....

Lol

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This should be a poll Opinion on Shula as QB coach : butt hurt Keyshawn or butt hurt Polian

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I could care less about Keyshawn, but he may have a point here.

Did anybody notice during the game Cam sitting beside Shula looking at the pictures? It's the first time I had ever noticed Cam doing this.

The problem I noticed was that Shula more or less had his back turned to Cam and seemed to be discussing things with Anderson. I started watching Shula more closely and it seemed like everytime he was on camera he was talking with Anderson.

Hey coach, try working with you young starting QB. It almost make me thing Shula was trying to learn something from Anderson.

Cam isn't getting any support if his QB coach is (or seems to be) ignoring him during games.

WTF?

there's no helping some of our fans.

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bar's not set so high there.

pennington had a weak arm and a body made of glass. he only played started 16 games in a season twice out of two years and aside from that the most he ever started was 12 and 13 games and really only 4 years that he started more than 10 games. he only had more than 20 TDs once (of course getting hurt and missing so many games didn't help). he only had 6 games where he threw for over 300 yards. i think he only had 9 games in his career that he threw 3+ TDs. he was efficient, but not really more than that. he had quite a bit more TDs than INTs and more wins than losses, but he was never one of the best in the game. in his most productive year he was barely top 10.

i always thought, though, that he was one of the smarter QBs out there, he just didn't have the body to handle the league long term or the ability to play to equal his football IQ. i just had a lot of respect for him and always wished he'd been able to do more and hoped that at miami he would do well, but it just didn't happen.

both pennington and weinke, though, were never as good as they could have been. i think both were and are better suited to be coaches. i actually hoped a couple years back that we'd pick up pennington when i knew he was going to be released so that he could help groom whatever young QB we had starting. i could think of few QBs i'd rather have carrying a clipboard on the sidelines offering vet insight to a young QB and i can't think of many that i would rather have in QBs meetings working with a young QB to help him recognize things that defenses were doing and ways it could be beaten.

I get what your saying completely and I agree both are better suited as coaches but the success levels of Pennington compared to weinke Connot even begin to be compared, even mark Sanchez and Shaun hill had more success. You can compare weinke more to clausen. All I'm saying is Pennington was much better as a QB then weinke EVER was, as coaches though.. That could be interesting

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I get what your saying completely and I agree both are better suited as coaches but the success levels of Pennington compared to weinke Connot even begin to be compared, even mark Sanchez and Shaun hill had more success. You can compare weinke more to clausen. All I'm saying is Pennington was much better as a QB then weinke EVER was, as coaches though.. That could be interesting

i wasn't comparing the level of talent or achievements. neither lived up to what many thought they were capable of on the field. that's kind of irrelevant to my point which was they are, imo, better suited to be coaches than players.

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i wasn't comparing the level of talent or achievements. neither lived up to what many thought they were capable of on the field. that's kind of irrelevant to my point which was they are, imo, better suited to be coaches than players.

but you said pennington had no real success as a player, that was the point i was arguing

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Weinke should be the QB coach

I'd actually be for the hiring of Weinke as qb coach when/if we have a major staff overhaul. Guy knows his stuff and has a good relationship with Cam. Most good QB coaches weren't good players...take the Harbaughs, Jason Garrett, and Jim Zorn

No, never, nada, zero. How can a coach who couldn't read defenses during his playing year teach someone how to read defenses?? Yack!

You forgot Belicheck.

I'm fine with Shula. You get more thinking-outside-the-box. Even the "great" ones had to start somewhere.

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