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#31 LinvilleGorge

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:58 PM

Was it just me, or was the pass in the end-zone to Lafell's outside shoulder that Lafell dropped right in his hands?


It was, but the DB got a hand in there. Ideally, Cam puts that ball about 3 feet higher when LaFell can go up and get it but the DB doesn't stand a chance.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:59 PM

Our OL didn't show up in the slightest vs. Denver either. Reference Aaron Rodger's performance last night to see what an elite QB looks like when his OL just plain doesn't show up.


Chuds play calling sure doesn't help him.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:59 PM

two weeks ago against denver he was very bad.

today he was terrific. Whats your point



Not really. The oline was horrid that game. Peyton Manning would have looked worst. They literally gave up. Outside of that game the oline has been pretty good all things considered.

The Seattle game was the game that Newton flat out sucked.

But again, Newton has to play close to perfect for his team to beat a team without its QB, WR, RB, makeshift Oline to get a one possession win.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

Our OL didn't show up in the slightest vs. Denver either. Reference Aaron Rodger's performance last night to see what an elite QB looks like when his OL just plain doesn't show up.



Stop making sense.

It seems the whole everything is on the QB's back, is a normal thinking with many on this site. They don't realize that a QB's job is to simply pass and throw the ball. They seem to be quick to ignore all of the receiver's on the team, mistakes and can only focus on ever mistake Cam makes. It's no wonder he plays like it's him against the other team.

I watched the game closely tonight and two or three times Cam throw a perfect ball that touched the gloves of a receiver only to have him drop it. There is the saying if your gloves touches the ball, it's yours to catch. I guess that saying doesn't apply to the receivers on this team.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:06 AM

The point is, Cam shouldn't be the entire team. You have 10 guys out there with him on offense. When he's having a bad day, it's time for them to step up even more. That is the problem with this team's offense. It's all squarely on Cam's shoulder and it's shows. Even worst is, some of you fans feel that's the way it's suppose to do. No it's not.

Wrong mentality.



I have said, if the fans, the players, and the coaches expected the same from the other starters on the panthers that they do from Cam, we would --at worst-- be 7-4.

MVP Matt Ryan could go out and throw 5 ints and his team still wins...why? because as you said...mentality...

For example, the play that Cam scrambled on...only to have Lafell and another WR just look at him...not working to get open...not try to come back to the ball or even block...they are LITERALLY watching the show...

Wrong mentality.

#36 TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:07 AM

The point is, Cam shouldn't be the entire team. You have 10 guys out there with him on offense. When he's having a bad day, it's time for them to step up even more. That is the problem with this team's offense. It's all squarely on Cam's shoulder and it's shows. Even worst is, some of you fans feel that's the way it's suppose to be. No it's not.

Wrong mentality.


he was real bad against denver on his own.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

he was real bad against denver on his own.


And as usual, the rest of the team fell just like him.

What does that say when no one else on this team knows how to step up and help out their QB when he's having a bad day? But, they all want him to help them improve on their individual stats. Again, I ask, what does that say about the mentality of this team and even worst, the fans?

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:29 AM

I have said, if the fans, the players, and the coaches expected the same from the other starters on the panthers that they do from Cam, we would --at worst-- be 7-4.

MVP Matt Ryan could go out and throw 5 ints and his team still wins...why? because as you said...mentality...

For example, the play that Cam scrambled on...only to have Lafell and another WR just look at him...not working to get open...not try to come back to the ball or even block...they are LITERALLY watching the show...

Wrong mentality.


Your defense made me smile tonight. Their perception of the Eagles offense was on point. They spent less time simply standing around waiting for the other team to act and spent more time studying the Eagles' offense. I'm not going to say, they are on the Gaints, or Raven's level of defense because there still are lot of lapsing in their judgement that I saw but if it wasn't for them, the Panthers might have lost this game. So much credit belongs to the defense.

The score should have been much higher considering how many times the Panthers defense were able to strip the Eagles' offense of the ball. But, all I kept seeing was an offense who seem to stand around waiting on Cam instead of knowing their role and playing it. It seems many on here either don't want to face the truth about their offense or they feel it's easy to blame Cam.

Also, I had to shake my head at Smitty. What is with that man? He's not only the elder state man of this team but he's the Captian. What sort of message does he send to the younger players when he doesn't know how to control his temper and always scoffling with the other team? Thank God that scoffle he got into didn't cost the team any yardage. He really needs to stop.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:00 AM

Your defense made me smile tonight. Their perception of the Eagles offense was on point. They spent less time simply standing around waiting for the other team to act and spent more time studying the Eagles' offense. I'm not going to say, they are on the Gaints, or Raven's level of defense because there still are lot of lapsing in their judgement that I saw but if it wasn't for them, the Panthers might have lost this game. So much credit belongs to the defense.

The score should have been much higher considering how many times the Panthers defense were able to strip the Eagles' offense of the ball. But, all I kept seeing was an offense who seem to stand around waiting on Cam instead of knowing their role and playing it. It seems many on here either don't want to face the truth about their offense or they feel it's easy to blame Cam.

Also, I had to shake my head at Smitty. What is with that man? He's not only the elder state man of this team but he's the Captian. What sort of message does he send to the younger players when he doesn't know how to control his temper and always scoffling with the other team? Thank God that scoffle he got into didn't cost the team any yardage. He really needs to stop.


Frankly, I was extremely displeased with the defense tonight. The Eagles were down to one starter on their oline, a rookie Qb and their second string running back, and yet they were not only in the game but were allowed to lead for much of it. The forced fumbles were nice but basically were lucky flukes that should have let us blow the game out instead of being needed just to eek out a win.

Context matters, and in the context of this game our defense was shitty. And I agree that it doesn't all need to be on Cam, win or lose, but that's the unfortunate nature of the NFL. He played great, the defense did just enough, the special teams sucked ass, and we came away with a win against a team that would have been happy to lose by 70. I'm happy with the result, but unless the mindset from the coaches and players change we're just delaying the inevitable and putting even more crap on Cam's plate when we should be helping him out.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:08 AM

Frankly, I was extremely displeased with the defense tonight. The Eagles were down to one starter on their oline, a rookie Qb and their second string running back, and yet they were not only in the game but were allowed to lead for much of it.


The D took a huge step backward tonight. Hopefully, it was just because Reid knows exactly how to attack a McDermott/Rivera D after practicing against them for years.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:17 AM

Frankly, I was extremely displeased with the defense tonight. The Eagles were down to one starter on their oline, a rookie Qb and their second string running back, and yet they were not only in the game but were allowed to lead for much of it. The forced fumbles were nice but basically were lucky flukes that should have let us blow the game out instead of being needed just to eek out a win.

Context matters, and in the context of this game our defense was shitty. And I agree that it doesn't all need to be on Cam, win or lose, but that's the unfortunate nature of the NFL. He played great, the defense did just enough, the special teams sucked ass, and we came away with a win against a team that would have been happy to lose by 70. I'm happy with the result, but unless the mindset from the coaches and players change we're just delaying the inevitable and putting even more crap on Cam's plate when we should be helping him out.



Let's be real, your team isn't 3-7 because they suck in skills. They are 3-7 because of a lot of mental mistakes made by everyone; throw in laziness at times, and even not knowing what it takes to close out games and you will see why your team is 3-7. That goes from the top all the way down to your kicker. Did you see him shank that ball? SMDH It's a good thing your defense did step up when they did and prevented the Eagles from keeping the ball for a long time.

This team is young but there is still a lot of old bad habits lingering in the minds of this team.. It won't come over night but as I said before, the day this team figures out that wanting to win and know how to win isn't mutually exclusive and they have to cease every opportunity to win, you watch what happens. Mark my word.

The Panthers could have easily blown out the Eagles and they should have. They just need to seriously stop making so many mental mistakes that costs them. It's clearly not an individual thing but a systematic thing because every part of the team seem to fall victim to it. If it's not defense, it's offense. If it's not offense, it's defense. If it's not offense nor defense, it secondary team. This team really needs to break that mental cycyle because it's seems quite contagious and everyone will continue to fall victim to no matter how great they played before this team.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:22 AM

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#43 Gabeking

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:41 AM

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 01:43 AM

Let's be real, your team isn't 3-7 because they suck in skills. They are 3-7 because of a lot of mental mistakes made by everyone; throw in laziness at times, and even not knowing what it takes to close out games and you will see why your team is 3-7. That goes from the top all the way down to your kicker. Did you see him shank that ball? SMDH It's a good thing your defense did step up when they did and prevented the Eagles from keeping the ball for a long time.

This team is young but there is still a lot of old bad habits lingering in the minds of this team.. It won't come over night but as I said before, the day this team figures out that wanting to win and know how to win isn't mutually exclusive and they have to cease every opportunity to win, you watch what happens. Mark my word.

The Panthers could have easily blown out the Eagles and they should have. They just need to seriously stop making so many mental mistakes that costs them. It's clearly not an individual thing but a systematic thing because every part of the team seem to fall victim to it. If it's not defense, it's offense. If it's not offense, it's defense. If it's not offense nor defense, it secondary team. This team really needs to break that mental cycyle because it's seems quite contagious and everyone will continue to fall victim to no matter how great they played before this team.


A new and better coach and better GM will put us over the top I think, we are not getting haplessly blown out by the chiefs, we just can't close games, a new mentality and better coaching should(hopefully) change that

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 07:47 AM

A new and better coach and better GM will put us over the top I think, we are not getting haplessly blown out by the chiefs, we just can't close games, a new mentality and better coaching should(hopefully) change that


I beg to differ. You have a new coach and the team isn't much different than when they were under Fox.

There is a Proverbial saying and I'll paraphrase, you cannot put new wine into old wine skin. There is no way you can keep bringing in new people and get a different result if the over all attitude of the Panthers as a team remains the same. Everyone of those players, coaches and GMs have to look themselves in the mirror and ask themselves, what is my contribution to this team. One person cannot win a game and in all honesty, one person doesn't lose it for a team either.But if each person is only looking out for themselves and don't seem to care whether they catch the ball, throw the ball, run with the ball, or kick the ball, there is something fundamentally wrong with that team.

I see folks spend more time finding anything to critique Cam for but is quick to ignore or barely make much out of the obvious ball dropping of the receivers, field goal misses of their punter, or the sifter that is the secondary. How seriously productive is that for a team like the Panthers? Some folks on here act like certain folks are off limits when it comes to criticism...Smitty...yet, week in and out those players do the same dumb ish on the field that is costing the team yardage and nothing is made of it.

IMO, changing the surface of the team is not getting to the root of what's wrong with this team. This team, talent wise, should be a 7-4 by now. But in all honesty, I don't believe this team knows how to win. I believe they want to win but they seem way to pampered and spoiled to create the kind of energy needed to make other teams fear them. That energy of fear was there when Cam first came in but it's now gone because many team now realize that Cam is the real strength of this team. Give him a hard time and the rest of the team fall apart. Not good. Evenmore is, you place a ridiculously hot spot light over the head his head, and demand he plays perfect football week in and out, so the obvious weaknesses of this team can be covered up. That will not work.

The easiest thing to do on a team is replace people. The hardest thing is to removed bad habits and attitudes from a team thta have been allowed to practice those bad habits for years. Fix this team's attitude from within and you will see this team winning more games.


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