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That handing the ball off to a running back that is just standing there not in motion whatsoever has worked exactly 0 times all year long. By the time the RB has the ball and then begins to move his feet, its too late.

We need more downhill handoffs. Handing the ball off while the RB is actually running works at least some of the time.
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Was it me, or did the whole offense look better from under center?

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Based on watching the Panthers, our best plan would be to just grab some random 6th rounder before each game and start them. Guaranteed 150 yds+ and 2 TDs, and we'd be the first team in MFL history to have 16 different 100 yd. rushers.
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Some of the plays designed by Chud defy all logic
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[quote name='Zod' timestamp='1354020042' post='2018634']
That handing the ball off to a running back that is just standing there not in motion whatsoever has worked exactly 0 times all year long. By the time the RB has the ball and then begins to move his feet, its too late.

We need more downhill handoffs. Handing the ball off while the RB is actually running works at least some of the time.
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This is exactly why the read option will NEVER be successful as a base offense. Takes too long to develo and the defense is too fast. Holes are closed before the RB ever moves.

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Yea, the only variations of the option that's worked at all has been the one where Cam rolls out with a flanking RB and the defense has to choose which to go after and Cam can keep it or pitch. And it's worked less and less lately. The other poo, where Cam decides whether to keep it or hand it off or throw it work so seldomly it's mind boggling that we keep running it...
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Agreed, the read option was terrible. Doesn't give the back a real chance at making the play. And fwiw, our offense still looked erratic at times. Don't get me wrong, I am glad we won. Losing to the Eagles would have been horribly embarrassing. But early in the game the eagles defense looked horrid. I could have scored on those first two td's. They got a little better as the game went on, they went from horrid to simply inept..

We need to beat some good teams before we can begin to have a positive outlook about the offense and the team.
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Why this isnt obvious to the coaching staff is beyond me. Everyone else can see it.

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The option would be a nice to have every once in a while. Gruden is right, but the problem is we just show it way too much. We are 3-8. Now is the time to put Cam behind Center and see what he can do and what these RBs can do.

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I just think there are better plays for us to run other than trickery.At some point you have to establish an identity.

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The rest of the season should be about development.

This coaching staff will sabotage that because they will try and make a case for not getting fired at the end. They will continue to run "their" offense....

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All I ask is that we run at least 40% of our plays from under center. That's not too much to ask, is it?

When we're in the gun, the defense knows it's either going to be a pass or an ineffective run. They can play back or just blitz the hell out of us.

If we insist on being in a gun-like formation, at least switch to a pistol like Washington so the RB can take the ball on the run.

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To me its shows a lack of confidence in our OL

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Agreed. It's ie you are watching us in slow motion and the other team in regular motion......you see the play develop and die before it even gets started.

Poor DLo couldn't get a first down to save his life last night

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Wait!.. Whut??


You mean that square oversized peg doesn't fit into the smaller round hole? Mindboggling!


Someone in NC please go smack Chud for all of us out of state fans, please? Thanks!
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The difficult part of this to understand is many of the same people railing against the read-option are also calling out DeAngelo Williams. Williams is still a very good running back and will continue to break off huge runs when he gets the ball on a toss sweep or pitch or even in the I-formation.

But to call him out and blame him for a lousy run game when all he does is stand still next to Cam and anticipate getting the ball stuck in his gut while standing still and hope he makes something out of it is ridiculous. The best running backs in the league would look terrible standing still waiting for a handoff while the defense is bearing down on you.

Dump the entire formation and start playing from the "I".
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Run the I formation in the first quarter... get good results...

DON'T DO THAT THE REST OF THE GAME!!!!


Our offense is an internet meme.

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[quote name='Zod' timestamp='1354020042' post='2018634']
That handing the ball off to a running back that is just standing there not in motion whatsoever has worked exactly 0 times all year long. By the time the RB has the ball and then begins to move his feet, its too late.

We need more downhill handoffs. Handing the ball off while the RB is actually running works at least some of the time.
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we need to at least be running more in the pistol instead of the shotgun. it's not a lot of momentum, but it's still better than starting off with none.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1354027345' post='2018771']

we need to at least be running more in the pistol instead of the shotgun. it's not a lot of momentum, but it's still better than starting off with none.
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Chud needs to go, we have seen success in standard formations every week only to see him revert to the option Cams accuracy is also much better under center.

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[quote name='SuperMan' timestamp='1354027878' post='2018782']
Chud needs to go, we have seen success in standard formations every week only to see him revert to the option Cams accuracy is also much better under center.
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agreed, but it doesn't matter what we revert to; as long as we are reverting to something that just isn't effective then we're failing. that was the eventual problem with foxball. futilely doing the same thing over and over because it once worked or it should work in spite of the obvious evidence that it isn't.
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[quote name='nctarheel0619' timestamp='1354020359' post='2018635']
Was it me, or did the whole offense look better from under center?
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It wasnt just you.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1354032657' post='2018912']

agreed, but it doesn't matter what we revert to; as long as we are reverting to something that just isn't effective then we're failing. that was the eventual problem with foxball. futilely doing the same thing over and over because it once worked or it should work in spite of the obvious evidence that it isn't.
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The option is a gimmick the NFL has caught up to just like the wildcat... Cam can gain more yardage rushing when he is under center and there is a clear threat to pass.

Like Fox, Rivera refuses to adjust and it is detrimental to Cams development.

It's time for an offensive minded coach that knows how to make adjustments in game and during the week.

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Responding to OP:

Exactly. The Eagles rushers were still allowed to rush the passer because the back is right where the QB would be on a drop. Then they started running outside. NOPE.

Run up the middle and get what you can. That is what this run game needs to be, because it isn't going to be dominant without a good line.

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[quote name='nctarheel0619' timestamp='1354020359' post='2018635']
Was it me, or did the whole offense look better from under center?
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Yeah it looked better, but it seems like Chud reads the press clippings that Cam can't play under center or something. He is the one making the calls and he could garner change because of the way he calls plays for Cam. Gruden was killing me last night talking about how smart Chud is and the football knowledge he exudes.

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