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#221 mmmbeans

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:17 PM

Much better for those people to not have jobs than to have burned to death making disposable bullshiat for fat americans


ftfy.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

do you actually believe that the owner of this factory holds ANY cards in his relationship with walmart? they could've forced the factory owner to upgrade... but it would have increased prices...walmart knew of the situation... said "f*ck it, abusing people keeps our prices low" and 100 people died. It doesn't matter who is responsible in addition to walmart, walmart is in the drivers seat with EVERY SINGLE DEAL THEY MAKE. They actively lobby for low wages and poor working conditions... how much more culpable can you be? I mean, i guess you could blame the fire department or the architect as well... but really...


this is all beside the point... the question was... if companies like walmart were allowed, do you believe they'd treat their workers in this country the same way?



Guys I'm no fan of Walmart.
They are a big problem with how many injustices go down.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

ftfy.


That works too.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:30 PM

so walmart chooses suppliers that allow their workers to die due to poor work conditions in order to keep prices low?


3rd largest company in the world... victim of conniving bangledeshi garment factory.


Wait, are you talking about Walmart or Apple?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

Apple products are high-brow products...not plastic kitchenware and clothing.

Apple is justified in exploitation because they pay their workers more.

Is that the correct logic?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

Wait, are you talking about Walmart or Apple?


one doesn't exclude the other. you wanna get down on apple, you won't hear a peep from me.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:00 PM

Wait, are you talking about Walmart or Apple?


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:17 PM

one doesn't exclude the other. you wanna get down on apple, you won't hear a peep from me.


That is good, I have discussed similar issues with many who will not criticise Apple, but will slam the practices of Walmart because most of Walmart's customers are poor or lower middle class.

Some criticism of the low end retailers such as Walmart are justified, but Walmart also has some market limits on what it can and can't do. If Walmart decides to dump the evil vendors, and go with a vendor who provides better working conditions for its own employees, cost goes up. Higher prices might mean they give up market share to another retailer who gets its products from that crappy vendor. Which of course doesn't help the workers for the crappy vendor and hurts walmart employees and shareholders.

Walmart would likely be just as happy if they could maintain their profit margin and pay more for the products they buy from these countries. I remember a few years ago, they even tried a buy american campaign. It failed miserably because the items were higher priced and people really didn't look at the labels. Shoppers want the cheap crap.

I guess the government could step in and perhaps place additional tariffs on imports from countries with poor employer policing, and that would level the playing field somewhat. But that also causes problems, as well as a lot of voter anger once prices start going up.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:27 PM

That is good, I have discussed similar issues with many who will not criticise Apple, but will slam the practices of Walmart because most of Walmart's customers are poor or lower middle class.

Some criticism of the low end retailers such as Walmart are justified, but Walmart also has some market limits on what it can and can't do. If Walmart decides to dump the evil vendors, and go with a vendor who provides better working conditions for its own employees, cost goes up. Higher prices might mean they give up market share to another retailer who gets its products from that crappy vendor. Which of course doesn't help the workers for the crappy vendor and hurts walmart employees and shareholders.

Walmart would likely be just as happy if they could maintain their profit margin and pay more for the products they buy from these countries. I remember a few years ago, they even tried a buy american campaign. It failed miserably because the items were higher priced and people really didn't look at the labels. Shoppers want the cheap crap.

I guess the government could step in and perhaps place additional tariffs on imports from countries with poor employer policing, and that would level the playing field somewhat. But that also causes problems, as well as a lot of voter anger once prices start going up.


walmart controls the market, they literally dictate the price at which they will buy things from suppliers. I don't have sympathy for unethical companies because consumers are mindless zombies... Profit never will nor has it ever been a viable excuse for the mistreatment of human beings... Ethics and profit aren't mutually exclusive, especially for a company that is the very definition of economy of scale.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:29 PM

Walmart would likely be just as happy if they could maintain their profit margin and pay more for the products they buy from these countries. I remember a few years ago, they even tried a buy american campaign. It failed miserably because the items were higher priced and people really didn't look at the labels. Shoppers want the cheap crap.



Oh definitely. When I was a sales manager for an online appliance company, I'd get one escalation a week from some guy swearing at us because we sold too much cheap, Chinese made crap. He wanted an AMERICAN icemaker DAMMIT and would usually go on a 10 minute tirade about why we should buy quality US made products.

Of course when I directed him to the Made-In-Denver, CO, well-performing Scotsman machine he'd balk and say "But that's $200 more!" and hang up mad.

Dollars to doughnuts he turned right around and ordered the cheap piece of Chinese crap he cursed 30 minutes earlier.


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