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#106 mmmbeans

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:41 PM

I'm not a lender.

Write up a business plan and go see what one says.


you're dead to me.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

People without skills don't start businesses. Talk about false dichotomies.


Now why do you think that is?

Is it that socialist U.S. government barring entry to business?

Or something even more sinister and impossible to regulate?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

They could, but why would they?

People pack those stores in, and there is always someone else looking for a job.

I know it's all like "dreamy" and stuff for them to do so...but it doesn't make sense/cents.

Personally, I don't support what they do, so I choose to shop there as little as possible, others should do the same. But I certainly understand why others do shop there.

If I was a single mom, trying to clothe and feed two young boys, I would practically live at Wal Mart.


I shop at Walmart because it's the only goddamn place in Shallotte to get certain things. I hate myself each time I walk in there.

But see, that's the larger point. With smaller localized businesses you have a higher employment ratio. When you have a super chain that can supply the entire regions needs, you have more people looking for work and more people willing to take a poo wage because there's less work to be had. Those smaller shops can no longer compete, from a price standpoint, even when paying their employees minimum wage, where as they weren't before the days of Walmart. Thereby, competition is eliminated and you have droves of idiot zombies looking for work at Walmart because it's one of the largest job providers in town, never mind that there were actually MORE jobs in town to be had before Walmart got there.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

supply and demand bro.

capitalism at its finest....mang

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

I shop at Walmart because it's the only goddamn place in Shallotte to get certain things. I hate myself each time I walk in there.

But see, that's the larget point. With smaller localized businesses you have a higher employment ratio. When you have a super chain that can supply the entire regions needs, you have more people looking for work and more people willing to take a poo wage because there's less work to be had, because those smaller shops can no longer compete from a price standpoint, even when paying their employees minimum wage, where as they weren't before the days of Walmart. Thereby, competition is eliminated and you have droves of idiot zombies looking for work at Walmart because it's one of the largest job providers in town, nevermind that there were actually MORE jobs in town to be had before Walmart got there.



I agree with everything you said, and how you feel.

However I don't want our government regulating how cheaply we can buy goods.

We the people have done this to ourselves, now we must live with the consequences.

Between my parents, brother, and myself we have own/owned 4 businesses. I am all for the small business.

Wal Mart suck, Costco sucks, Home Depot sucks, Lowes sucks...but it's what the people have said that they want.

Grocery Stores carry flowers now....it's what we have done, not what business has done. They are merely following our lead/demands.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

I shop at Walmart because it's the only goddamn place in Shallotte to get certain things. I hate myself each time I walk in there.

But see, that's the larger point. With smaller localized businesses you have a higher employment ratio. When you have a super chain that can supply the entire regions needs, you have more people looking for work and more people willing to take a poo wage because there's less work to be had. Those smaller shops can no longer compete, from a price standpoint, even when paying their employees minimum wage, where as they weren't before the days of Walmart. Thereby, competition is eliminated and you have droves of idiot zombies looking for work at Walmart because it's one of the largest job providers in town, never mind that there were actually MORE jobs in town to be had before Walmart got there.


So you hate Wal-Mart because they offer low pay to workers that accept low pay.

Man, my blood boils at the thought of mutual exchange, too. These dumb, ignorant monkeys should know better than to make their own contracts with employers.

Do you also hate yourself for using public or subsidized goods/services that are provided using funds collected at gunpoint?

Or does that not violate any moral premises of yours?

(This is a trick question. You shouldn't be enraged at either. I'm curious why you have emotional reactions like "hate" to these things, though.)

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:43 PM

Samsung yo.
Only the best for my waiting in line!



Samsung has come under fire after it was claimed that employees at one of its suppliers are made to work up to 16 hours a day, with only one day's rest a month. The claim will pile pressure on the South Korean electronics giant to address working practices after it admitted excessive overtime and fines for employees in China.

Samsung, which is the world's largest maker of cell phones and televisions, said on Monday that a review of 105 of its Chinese suppliers - involving more than 65,000 employees - found illegal work practices, but said the companies involved would be given two more years to change their ways. Now New York-based China Labor Watch (CLW) said employees at one of Samsung's suppliers sometimes worked up to 16 hours a day, and were given just one day off each month.
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The audit followed allegations by CLW in August that seven children younger than 16 were working in one of Samsung's suppliers in China.

Samsung said the audit had found no evidence of child labour.

It did, however, concede several instances of inadequate practices, such as overtime hours in excess of legal regulations and the imposition of a system of fines for tardiness or absence.

'We have identified the need for initiatives to reduce employee overtime as a top priority, and we are researching and developing measures that will eliminate hours beyond legal limits by the end of 2014,' the company said in a statement.

China Labor Watch said on Tuesday a follow-up investigation found that workers usually work from three to six times the legal overtime limit.

'The worst situation is in a Samsung supplier factory called Chitwing Mould Industry (Dongguan) Co., Ltd, where workers' overtime hours surpass 220 hours per month. Workers here can work up to 15 or 16 hours per day with perhaps one day of rest per month,' CLW said in a statement.

'Samsung uses an audit system to monitor factories, but audits are renowned for their lack of reliability. Instead of audits, Samsung should establish direct channels of communication with its workers, such as worker committees or a worker hotline.'

Samsung said on Tuesday hotlines were being set up for workers at supplier firms to report anonymously any inhumane treatment or violations of labour laws.

Samsung is reviewing 144 more suppliers in China and said the review would be completed by the end of this year.


http://www.dailymail...-day-month.html

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:54 PM

why not?


because holidays are compensation and it's splitting hairs to differentiate between the two

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:56 PM

supply and demand.

If i started a company today and had 100 people willing to work for $12 per hour, why would I pay them $20?


Because you're not a total dick?


j/k you are

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

because holidays are compensation and it's splitting hairs to differentiate between the two



i fail to see how holidays are compensation.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:58 PM

http://www.dailymail...-day-month.html


is there a humane brand of consumer electronics?

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:58 PM

Again we're just on different pages on this. As I stated... you can "fight" for whatever you want... but some jobs have the requirement to work on holidays. Period.

If that's a job requirement, and you knew it when you took the job, why are you fighting it? Get another job.

The wage thing is a bit different... companies should pay decent wages and as a society we should push for fair wages, but there is grey area there too... you are free at any time to find a better paying job.


...and yes, you're spinning... by talking about working holdays, then changing it to talk about only working part of the day on holidays... there is no difference.


i fail to see the relevance wrt what pharmacies do on holidays. if anyone's spinning, it's whoever keeps bringing up occupations which are necessary 24/7, 365, and comparing them to retailers, particularly in a society that guarantees paid time off to government employees and rich people. not sure who that could be though

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

i fail to see how holidays are compensation.


not my problem

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:02 PM

not my problem


good argument.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 06:03 PM

is there a humane brand of consumer electronics?


Phillips is one of the better.


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