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stewart has a high ankle sprain

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1354055393' post='2019632']
And that's specific to Williams, how? Stewart had just as shitty of a game.
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one reason why i don't like overall ypc to judge a running back's performance...

stewart's carries... 6, 5, 12, 9, -7, -4, 4, 2

williams carries...2, -1, 3, -2, 2, 0, 4, 3, 3, 4, 3

stewart was more efective than williams by a wide margin.

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[quote name='nosuchthingasapanther' timestamp='1354073713' post='2020101']
one reason why i don't like overall ypc to judge a running back's performance...

stewart's carries... 6, 5, 12, 9, -7, -4, 4, 2

williams carries...2, -1, 3, -2, 2, 0, 4, 3, 3, 4, 3

stewart was more efective than williams by a wide margin.
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If you don't like just looking at stats, then don't just list the stats; watch the plays and compare the schemes, defensive penetration, and all the other factors that contribute. Stewart ran out of i formations and pro sets far more often than Williams did, and was met in the backfield fewer times (and no, he didn't turn those into positive yards when he was)

Also Williams did have a couple of 11 yarders called back by penalties if you'll recall.

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1354075421' post='2020128']
If you don't like just looking at stats, then don't just list the stats; watch the plays and compare the schemes, defensive penetration, and all the other factors that contribute. Stewart ran out of i formations and pro sets far more often than Williams did, and was met in the backfield fewer times (and no, he didn't turn those into positive yards when he was)

Also Williams did have a couple of 11 yarders called back by penalties if you'll recall.
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williams ran out of the i formation 9x, stewart 5.

williams ran out of the shotgun 2x, stewart 3.

williams had 1 positive run called back. it was officially a 15 yard run. tossing that into his list of runs doesn't make his overall performance look any better.

people keep bringing up scheme being a limitation for williams, but i already posted a breakdown of how the backs have performed in different formations...

[quote]• Who is the most effective on zone-read plays? Newton, who averages 5.8 yards per zone-read carry, DeAngelo Williams averages 5.0 yards on those plays, and Jonathan Stewart gains 4.0 yards.

• The statistics support using Stewart more often than Williams on traditional handoffs. Stewart averages 5.7 yards per carry on traditional handoffs, with Newton starting under center. Williams has 30 yards on 18 carries on that type of play, a 1.67-yard average.[/quote]

[url="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/10/26/3624389/coach-ron-rivera-still-searching.html##storylink=cpy"]charlotteobserver...[/url]

and now the lack of a zone blocking scheme is being tossed around as an excuse for williams...but the zone blocking scheme wasn't introduced until 2007.

williams ran fine in 2006 without it.

stewart is running at less than 100% with the same suspect oline and scheme...yet williams can't outperform him.

there are factors that play into overall performance, but there is no doubt that williams is on the decline.

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That sucks. He's probably is done for the season.

Hope the oline steps up.

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Stewie = Glass Joe This guy can never stay healthy... He keeps more foot and ankle problems than anyone in the league!

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Some lame comments in this thread...
The Problem is not DW or JS the problem is the offensive line, or/and the OC or/and the extra blockers (wr,fb,te.)

Look at their stats.

JS : 336 yards, 3.6 PC 1TD.
DW : 292 yards, 3.2 PC, 3 TDs.

Both JS and DW are good RB, among the best in the NFL, look at their previous stats again..
And both are struggling, so respect your RBs a litle more and look elsewhere whiners.

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The dreaded high ankle sprain... :(

Maybe, just maybe we should use DeAngelo in the I-form now, you know... those plays where he was able to manage 5 YPC over his career (making him only one of 3 people to ever do it).

IDK, just a crazy idea.

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Yea DW keeps getting called on for inside runs. Not his style, especially with piss poor blocking. Get him to the edges on sweeps/tosses/some OZR and he will be fine.

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[quote name='CatMan72' timestamp='1354099237' post='2020303']
The dreaded high ankle sprain... :(

Maybe, just maybe we should use DeAngelo in the I-form now, you know... those plays where he was able to manage 5 YPC over his career (making him only one of 3 people to ever do it).

IDK, just a crazy idea.
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Still there aren't those huge holes for him to hit in I formation.....means he will continue to go down at or behind the line.

Also, that 5 ypc stat gets loosely restated....his stats was very specific. Lots of runners have build off 5 ypc. Even Mercury Morris.....

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[quote name='nosuchthingasapanther' timestamp='1354054468' post='2019612']
williams ran out of a read option/delayed handoff 2x against the eagles.

his other 9 runs came with newton under center.

he is struggling. period.
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Stewart hasn't exactly had a stellar season. The two games in which he had 15 or more carries, he averaged a whopping 2.9 and 2.5 ypc.

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I still can't understand the logic here. CRA and others call out D-Will for not being able to push off defenders while he's standing still waiting to see if Cam's gonna give him the ball or not. When's the last time D-Will, Stew, or Tolbert had a 100 rushing game? When's the last time any of them got close to 20 carries a game? Stew is better for this offense because he's strong enough to take a defender coming full speed downhill 3 yards past the line of scrimmage(whoopty fuging doo!). Play calling and oline is the reason for our 4 headed monster not producing the way they should.

I support D-will and Stew equally unlike others so I'm not biased. Stew is a better catcher, blocker, and power runner while D-Will is has better Rb vision and more speed. I dont want to here CRA's "he's 30" poo either. He's 29 with 1087 carries and Stew is 25 with 818 carries. For those who don't like math thats only 269 carries which is about 1 seasons worth. If Stew became an every down back he wouldn't make to age 29. If you've followed the Panthers for a while you'd know Stew has been injury prone since we drafted him.

I will agree that we pay too much for Dwill, but we also pay too much for Stew. With the offense we run none of our backs will see a 100 yard game unless they break one run for over 80 yards and D-will is the one most likely to do so.

Dwill is averaging 3.2 yard a carry
Stew averages 3.6
Tolbert averages 2.4

Looking at thoses averages and using huddle logic we should get rid off all 3 of them. Iamright guys?
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[quote name='ncmonzta' timestamp='1354115456' post='2020471']Looking at thoses averages and using huddle logic we should get rid off all 3 of them. Iamright guys?
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people were of the opinion that williams had to go after he averaged 5.4 ypc last season.

no need to look at overall ypc...an [b][i]honest[/i][/b] eyeball test of a game is proof enough that he is on the decline.

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