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It is imperative we lose out. For two very simple reasons. One, it gives Rivera no shot at returning next year. I mean our new GM shouldn't have to spend a night to sleep over whether or not he wants to stick with Rivera. If we win 3 of our next 5, that will put us at 6-10. I believe we can definitely win out, just because of the talent we have on this team. (We've proven we got the stuff to beat Atlanta and New Orleans. By the way, Atlanta will most likely be resting their guys when we play them) Under that scenario, we would be forced to think about keeping Rivera and this staff. If that happens, I bet you they will give Rivera another year. Another year to kill Cam's career.

The second reason losing out helps this franchise, is we will most likely end up with the first overall pick. I don't care how badly Barkley looked this season, and I don't care about his injury. QB desperate teams will desire to trade up to get him. With the rookie wage scale now set, teams will want to move up. We need that treasure trove of picks to get a dynasty started. We have a bunch of needs, and I expect we won't have the money to go after big free agents. So we got to stock pile in the draft. Two picks in the first three rounds is not going to cut it. If we trade back from the first overall, we could pick up 4 picks within the first two rounds (1st, two 2nds, and a 3rd) and pick up a first for next year at the least. (Possibly putting us in position to pick up a Marquis Lee or Jadeveon Clowney) The amazing part about that is we wouldn't have to drop down far from the first overall, possibly still picking within the top 4. (Think Minnesota trade with Cleveland) So we should be able to still pick up either Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei.

So we have to lose five games in order for all this to come true, what is that compared to a bunch of talent for your new coach to work with next year? I don't know about any of you, but we need this as a franchise. We need a new offensive minded coach, and we need draft picks.

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I will never wish for my team to lose, for any reason. I also have no desire to have the first pick. I'd much prefer to pick around 3-6.
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[quote name='csx' timestamp='1354079539' post='2020189']
I will never wish for my team to lose, for any reason. I also have no desire to have the first pick. I'd much prefer to pick around 3-6.
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I think that is kind of funny because if Rivera sticks around another year, and then draft guys we never heard of in the second round, we will continue to lose. We got to go beyond this season, and build for the future.

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GREAT IDEA!! SUCK FOR LUCK!!



oh wait....

nvmd.

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for the sake of this franchise, i hope the front office never employs people with your viewpoint.
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We really don't need to see this same thread after every game.

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[quote name='chef17' timestamp='1354080055' post='2020198']
We really don't need to see this same thread after every game.
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Oh, but we [i]will[/i]....

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terrible idea matthias, just terrible

stringing together a six-win streak will do wonders for the guys who will be on this team as the core for years to come, far more than a guy rated a few picks higher in the draft.
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[quote name='chef17' timestamp='1354080055' post='2020198']
We really don't need to see this same thread after every game.
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I actually thought I was the only one who felt this way, and decided to make it a topic. I don't know though, this plan seems to be the best thing possible, yet for some reason we don't think so. I want to know why.

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you're an idiot. I'll take my 24 hour ban. It was worth it
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[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1354080244' post='2020202']
terrible idea matthias, just terrible

stringing together a six-win streak will do wonders for the guys who will be on this team as the core for years to come, far more than a guy rated a few picks higher in the draft.
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You don't have a problem if Rivera is kept another season, running the same stuff next year? You don't have a problem with the same staff, holding Cam's development back another year? You don't have a problem with Rivera drafting more guys like Terrell McClain, Fua, Amini (yeah, Amini could develop, but all I know is Cordy Glenn looks like a pro bowler), and the like?

I have a major problem with that. Plus, having more draft picks will help us tremendously.

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Even if we lost to KC they would have to win another game in order for us to end up with the #1 pick. Your plan is flawed from the start.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1354080872' post='2020215']
You don't have a problem if Rivera is kept another season, running the same stuff next year? You don't have a problem with the same staff, holding Cam's development back another year? You don't have a problem with Rivera drafting more guys like Terrell McClain, Fua, Amini (yeah, Amini could develop, but all I know is Cordy Glenn looks like a pro bowler), and the like?

I have a major problem with that. Plus, having more draft pics will help us tremendously.
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your flaw is basing the above points on the false premise that the current staff will be here next year unless we lose out.

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You sound like a Cleveland Browns fan.

I don't think New England has owned a top 15 pick in 12+ years. Yet they've made 5 Super Bowls, & won 3. Drafting high just means you suck.
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[quote name='fieryprophet' timestamp='1354080894' post='2020216']
Even if we lost to KC they would have to win another game in order for us to end up with the #1 pick. Your plan is flawed from the start.
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I think KC could win three games. If Jamaal Charles hit a hot streak, I think their defense can win three games for them.


[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1354080962' post='2020217']
your flaw is basing the above points on the false premise that the current staff will be here next year unless we lose out.
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I know the new GM wouldn't have to think about it if we lose out. Again, if we win 3 games, I strongly think Rivera has a shot. If we win 4 or all five, I think he will definitely be back. In fact, 75% of our fanbase will fight for him to come back if that happens.

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If a new GM decides to keep Rivera than I am on board with it. These people know infinitely more about football and management then I or anyone here.
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[quote name='panthers5158' timestamp='1354081023' post='2020218']
You sound like a Cleveland Browns fan.

I don't think New England has owned a top 15 pick in 12+ years. Yet they've made 5 Super Bowls, & won 3. Drafting high just means you suck.
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New England has one of the top QBs of all time. Plus they regularly trade back in the draft, this year they capitalized on it, when they got two studs in Hightower and Jones. Now they are looking to dominate again. We need our draft boost this year.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1354080285' post='2020204']
I actually thought I was the only one who felt this way, and decided to make it a topic. I don't know though, this plan seems to be the best thing possible, yet for some reason we don't think so. I want to know why.
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People said we should tank 2 seasons ago. All the team needed was a QB and that would be the last time we picked in the top 5 for at least 10-15 years. Here we are two seasons later almost as bad picking at the top yet again. The team has already proven draft picks isn't the answer.

Besides football is a competition. Saying losing is the best thing in any competition is fuging retarded.

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[quote name='chef17' timestamp='1354081841' post='2020228']

People said we should tank 2 seasons ago. All the team needed was a QB and that would be the last time we picked in the top 5 for at least 10-15 years. Here we are two seasons later almost as bad picking at the top yet again. The team has already proven draft picks isn't the answer
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To be fair, people wanted to tank for Luck two years ago. Chances are we would be fighting for playoff position if Luck was our QB. (No disrespect to Cam, but Luck entered the game as a miniature fusion of Petyon Manning and John Elway) We all knew Cam was a work in progress, and really he is much further along than anyone thought.

However, this coaching staff sabotaged this season, and Cam's mental growth. They haven't encouraged his skills as a passer, but encouraged his athletic ability a little more this season. This isn't just about draft picks. If Cam is going to develop the right way, into more than an athletic QB, he needs a true coaching staff. Also, I'm not just talking about one draft pick here, but a slew of them by trade. (That will also give us two first round picks next year)

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1354082259' post='2020233']

To be fair, people wanted to tank for Luck two years ago. Chances are we would be fighting for playoff position if Luck was our QB. (No disrespect to Cam, but Luck entered the game as a miniature fusion of Petyon Manning and John Elway) We all knew Cam was a work in progress, and really he is much further along than anyone thought.

However, this coaching staff sabotaged this season, and Cam's mental growth. They haven't encouraged his skills as a passer, but encouraged his athletic ability a little more this season. This isn't just about draft picks. If Cam is going to develop the right way, into more than an athletic QB, he needs a true coaching staff. Also, I'm not just talking about one draft pick here, but a slew of them by trade. (That will also give us two first round picks next year)
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You are assuming

1. Somebody would want to trade up which isn't guaranteed.
2. All the draft picks would pan out which isn't guaranteed.
3. Eagles win another game, Jags at least one more game maybe two, and the chiefs win another one along with beating us, which is far from guaranteed.

Those things don't happen, and chances are they won't, and the team would tank for no reason.

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I hate threads like.this.

Fans convincing themselves that their team continuing to lose, helps a team more than.it damages it.

There is no point debating it, cause they are to young to understand.

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[quote name='chef17' timestamp='1354082708' post='2020240']
You are assuming

1. Somebody would want to trade up which isn't guaranteed.
2. All the draft picks would pan out which isn't guaranteed.
3. Eagles win another game, Jags at least one more game maybe two, and the chiefs win another one along with beating us, which is far from guaranteed.

Those things don't happen, and chances are they won't, and the team would tank for no reason.
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I think someone wanting to trade up is a good assumption to make. Arizona for example is just pitiful. They would trade up to pick me to be their QB if that were possible. Secondly, yeah, maybe not all the draft picks would pan out. Yet that is true with any draft. However for the most part, picks within the first two round do pan out. Imagine having four picks within those rounds, and they all pan out. I'll take that chance. I'm not too worried about whether the other teams can win games or not, I like the chances there inspite of the teams in question. All they have to do is win one or two games, and I like the chances to win 2 out of 5.

Lastly, I don't want the team to tank. I want them to lose. I'm happy to see our young guys play well. I was estatic to see Cam look guys off and throw strikes for touchdowns. I just want to lose from here on out.

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[quote name='Matthias' timestamp='1354083243' post='2020246']
I think someone wanting to trade up is a good assumption to make. Arizona for example is just pitiful. They would trade up to pick me to be their QB if that were possible. Secondly, yeah, maybe not all the draft picks would pan out. Yet that is true with any draft. However for the most part, picks within the first two round do pan out. Imagine having four picks within those rounds, and they all pan out. I'll take that chance. I'm not too worried about whether the other teams can win games or not, I like the chances there inspite of the teams in question. All they have to do is win one or two games, and I like the chances to win 2 out of 5.

Lastly, I don't want the team to tank. I want them to lose. I'm happy to see our young guys play well. I was estatic to see Cam look guys off and throw strikes for touchdowns. I just want to lose from here on out.
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Those teams aren't winning more games than us, it simply isn't happening. Losing would be terrible and it is retarded to want the team you claim to support to lose.

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[quote name='chef17' timestamp='1354082708' post='2020240']
You are assuming

[b]1. Somebody would want to trade up which isn't guaranteed.[/b]
2. All the draft picks would pan out which isn't guaranteed.
3. Eagles win another game, Jags at least one more game maybe two, and the chiefs win another one along with beating us, which is far from guaranteed.

Those things don't happen, and chances are they won't, and the team would tank for no reason.
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Noo but I watched a team trade up for RGIII last year. That means I think the same thing will happen this year.

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[quote name='run1stdownrun2nddown' timestamp='1354084131' post='2020253']
Noo but I watched a team trade up for RGIII last year. That means I think the same thing will happen this year.
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Assuming a trade will happen because one happened last year makes no sense.

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