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#11 Matthias

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:34 AM

terrible idea matthias, just terrible

stringing together a six-win streak will do wonders for the guys who will be on this team as the core for years to come, far more than a guy rated a few picks higher in the draft.


You don't have a problem if Rivera is kept another season, running the same stuff next year? You don't have a problem with the same staff, holding Cam's development back another year? You don't have a problem with Rivera drafting more guys like Terrell McClain, Fua, Amini (yeah, Amini could develop, but all I know is Cordy Glenn looks like a pro bowler), and the like?

I have a major problem with that. Plus, having more draft picks will help us tremendously.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:34 AM

Even if we lost to KC they would have to win another game in order for us to end up with the #1 pick. Your plan is flawed from the start.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:36 AM

You don't have a problem if Rivera is kept another season, running the same stuff next year? You don't have a problem with the same staff, holding Cam's development back another year? You don't have a problem with Rivera drafting more guys like Terrell McClain, Fua, Amini (yeah, Amini could develop, but all I know is Cordy Glenn looks like a pro bowler), and the like?

I have a major problem with that. Plus, having more draft pics will help us tremendously.


your flaw is basing the above points on the false premise that the current staff will be here next year unless we lose out.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:37 AM

You sound like a Cleveland Browns fan.

I don't think New England has owned a top 15 pick in 12+ years. Yet they've made 5 Super Bowls, & won 3. Drafting high just means you suck.

#15 Matthias

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

Even if we lost to KC they would have to win another game in order for us to end up with the #1 pick. Your plan is flawed from the start.


I think KC could win three games. If Jamaal Charles hit a hot streak, I think their defense can win three games for them.


your flaw is basing the above points on the false premise that the current staff will be here next year unless we lose out.


I know the new GM wouldn't have to think about it if we lose out. Again, if we win 3 games, I strongly think Rivera has a shot. If we win 4 or all five, I think he will definitely be back. In fact, 75% of our fanbase will fight for him to come back if that happens.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:41 AM

If a new GM decides to keep Rivera than I am on board with it. These people know infinitely more about football and management then I or anyone here.

#17 Matthias

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:43 AM

You sound like a Cleveland Browns fan.

I don't think New England has owned a top 15 pick in 12+ years. Yet they've made 5 Super Bowls, & won 3. Drafting high just means you suck.


New England has one of the top QBs of all time. Plus they regularly trade back in the draft, this year they capitalized on it, when they got two studs in Hightower and Jones. Now they are looking to dominate again. We need our draft boost this year.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:50 AM

I actually thought I was the only one who felt this way, and decided to make it a topic. I don't know though, this plan seems to be the best thing possible, yet for some reason we don't think so. I want to know why.


People said we should tank 2 seasons ago. All the team needed was a QB and that would be the last time we picked in the top 5 for at least 10-15 years. Here we are two seasons later almost as bad picking at the top yet again. The team has already proven draft picks isn't the answer.

Besides football is a competition. Saying losing is the best thing in any competition is fuging retarded.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:57 AM

People said we should tank 2 seasons ago. All the team needed was a QB and that would be the last time we picked in the top 5 for at least 10-15 years. Here we are two seasons later almost as bad picking at the top yet again. The team has already proven draft picks isn't the answer


To be fair, people wanted to tank for Luck two years ago. Chances are we would be fighting for playoff position if Luck was our QB. (No disrespect to Cam, but Luck entered the game as a miniature fusion of Petyon Manning and John Elway) We all knew Cam was a work in progress, and really he is much further along than anyone thought.

However, this coaching staff sabotaged this season, and Cam's mental growth. They haven't encouraged his skills as a passer, but encouraged his athletic ability a little more this season. This isn't just about draft picks. If Cam is going to develop the right way, into more than an athletic QB, he needs a true coaching staff. Also, I'm not just talking about one draft pick here, but a slew of them by trade. (That will also give us two first round picks next year)

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:05 AM

To be fair, people wanted to tank for Luck two years ago. Chances are we would be fighting for playoff position if Luck was our QB. (No disrespect to Cam, but Luck entered the game as a miniature fusion of Petyon Manning and John Elway) We all knew Cam was a work in progress, and really he is much further along than anyone thought.

However, this coaching staff sabotaged this season, and Cam's mental growth. They haven't encouraged his skills as a passer, but encouraged his athletic ability a little more this season. This isn't just about draft picks. If Cam is going to develop the right way, into more than an athletic QB, he needs a true coaching staff. Also, I'm not just talking about one draft pick here, but a slew of them by trade. (That will also give us two first round picks next year)


You are assuming

1. Somebody would want to trade up which isn't guaranteed.
2. All the draft picks would pan out which isn't guaranteed.
3. Eagles win another game, Jags at least one more game maybe two, and the chiefs win another one along with beating us, which is far from guaranteed.

Those things don't happen, and chances are they won't, and the team would tank for no reason.


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