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#101 RockyTopVol

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

Not fair to call Fedora and Strong cowards for not taking the job. There are unfortunate things going on behind the scenes with our AD. The chancellor is trying to make UT's academic standards tougher than the rest of the conference. It's asinine and causing lots of drawback.
Also, it has come out that Strong accepted the job but changed his mind when he got in front of his players to tell them his decision.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

This. Is. Embarrassing.
Our entire athletic department should be blown out of there. We're currently being run by an AD we got from Bama and a chancellor we got from Florida.
Hire Fulmer as AD and Petrino as coach.

This isn't embarrassing it is just reality setting in. Tennessee is not a very good job right now. It just isn't.

People were running from the job like it had leprosy. Their recruiting territory is dried up and/or has been taken over by neighboring schools. And the they have not been really relevant in the last 8 years outside of one 10-4 record in 2007.

The last time Tennessee was "Tennessee" the high school seniors were 10 years old.

They are several years away from being competitive in the SEC again, and they just proved they can't get a prominent coach. They can't get a coach who is unemployed, a coach in the Big East, a coach who hates his boss in the Big 12, and a coach with recruiting limitations stemming from probation in the ACC to take the job.

I hope Butch Jones turns it around because Tennessee has a proud tradition, but right now, it just isn't a very good job.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:58 PM

First...in the last what...30 years Carolina has had one really successful coach. His name was Mack Brown and as soon as Texas came calling (a bigger and better job) he left. It's what happens when you are a coach in the ACC and even moreso when you are a coach at a North Carolina school. We are not a football state and the sooner your realize that the sooner you will be less disappointed when Fedora leaves. There are three scenarios with Larry Fedora as there are three scenarios, I believe, with new NC State coach Dave Doeren...


If Texas is the school that determines whether you are a stepping stone or not, then 98% of the BCS schools are a stepping stone. Texas is the dream job of nearly every coach in college football.

A - Fedora wins a lot at UNC...perhaps wins an ACC Championship...then he leaves. Why would he do that some of you wonder. The simple answer is that UNC will never, ever, EVER be in position to win a national title. Not as long as the BCS is in place and UNC is a member of the ACC. The same goes for NC State. It's not a great scenario (I'm and NC State fan, remember) but it's the facts. Florida State, a team made up of talent that NC State and Carolina could only dream of, lost 1 game this year before the loss to Florida and they were ranked 10th. Not even CLOSE to a national championship. Therefore, if Fedora actually is one of these truly elite coaches he's not staying at UNC to piddle around with ACC titles...he's leaving to try and win the big one.


The BCS is going to be different. Top 4 teams get in to play for a national championship. It makes being in the ACC less of a hindrance, and if he wins a lot at UNC he will have every chance to win a NC

B - Fedora is good, not great. He wins 7-10 games a year. Once in a while he competes for an ACC title. He keeps UNC fans happy for 6-7 years...and then they fire him because they want to do better...and for some reason think that they should be competing for national titles...even though its never happened in their history.


I think you are referring to what NC State literally just did. Don't confuse us with those guys. Competing for BCS bowls and ACC Championships will keep UNC fans happy. At least for a while.


C - Fedora sucks. He stays around for 4-5 years...goes .500 and then gets canned.


IMO considering the history of UNC football and the history of football in the state of North Carolina in general...Fedora will be option B. I think the same will hold true for Dave Doeren at NC State. I think that we win 7 games in our off years...I think he finally gets us to that 10 win season and competing with FSU for the Atlantic and honestly he could jump ship if he has success like that. It's what happens at NC State and UNC. Whether you want to admit it or not North Carolina football jobs are stepping stone jobs. You are not talking about UNC basketball where the job is a top 3-4 job in the country. Football is WAY second-tier in the state and probably moreso at UNC than at NCSU. So suck it up...come to grips...and enjoy basketball. Because this isn't Florida or California where the stud football recruits grow on trees and want to stay home. This is North Carolina where we are lucky if we can keep our recruits in state and away from the SEC. If you don't get that then you haven't been following football in this state for very long and I suggest you look back at the history books for the last...umm...50 years.


There is only 3 jobs that really worry me about snatching up Fedora. Florida, Oklahoma State, or Texas.

Other than that, not too worried.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:27 PM

If Texas is the school that determines whether you are a stepping stone or not, then 98% of the BCS schools are a stepping stone. Texas is the dream job of nearly every coach in college football.

Texas is the only example out there bc UNC hasn't been successful other than the Mack Brown years...sorry nobody wanted John Bunting or Carl Torbush.

The BCS is going to be different. Top 4 teams get in to play for a national championship. It makes being in the ACC less of a hindrance, and if he wins a lot at UNC he will have every chance to win a NC

False...just false.

I think you are referring to what NC State literally just did. Don't confuse us with those guys. Competing for BCS bowls and ACC Championships will keep UNC fans happy. At least for a while.

Hah...how is this any different than what you said? BCS bowls will keep Carolina happy for a while?? Carolina I don't think has ever played in a BCS bowl and you are claiming you expect that to be your standard all of a sudden? That it'll only keep you satisfied for a while. This is why people think UNC fans are delusional.

There is only 3 jobs that really worry me about snatching up Fedora. Florida, Oklahoma State, or Texas.

Other than that, not too worried.



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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:05 AM

Can't really quote you because of how you posted that LOL.

Actually you could say that Fedora was good enough. Last offseason he was offered the Texas A&M job but turned them down to go to UNC, and this year he turned down Tennessee, a self proclaimed top 10 job to stay at UNC. Doesn't sound like a stepping stone to me.

Maybe I didn't articulate what what I meant. When I said competing for an ACC title and BCS bowls, all you have to do is occasionally win the Coastal. Miami is on a down swing and facing major sanctions, Va Tech is starting to drop off, GT isn't what it used to be, UVA is hit or miss but usually bad, Duke is on the rise, and has a great coach, but still has a deficiency in talent. I am not sure who will be in the coastal but Pitt is decent and Syracuse stinks.

So you tell me, is it that far fetched that UNC competes to win the coastal. They won it this year. They possibly have a top 20 class coming in even with only having 20 scholarships.

And if they occasionally win the coastal they are playing for an ACC championship (as they would be this year if not for postseason ban) and therefore, competing for a BCS bowl.

Soooo... that isn't that far fetched or unreasonable.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:01 AM

Only to State fans, teeray.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:59 AM

Can't really quote you because of how you posted that LOL.

Actually you could say that Fedora was good enough. Last offseason he was offered the Texas A&M job but turned them down to go to UNC, and this year he turned down Tennessee, a self proclaimed top 10 job to stay at UNC. Doesn't sound like a stepping stone to me.

Maybe I didn't articulate what what I meant. When I said competing for an ACC title and BCS bowls, all you have to do is occasionally win the Coastal. Miami is on a down swing and facing major sanctions, Va Tech is starting to drop off, GT isn't what it used to be, UVA is hit or miss but usually bad, Duke is on the rise, and has a great coach, but still has a deficiency in talent. I am not sure who will be in the coastal but Pitt is decent and Syracuse stinks.

So you tell me, is it that far fetched that UNC competes to win the coastal. They won it this year. They possibly have a top 20 class coming in even with only having 20 scholarships.

And if they occasionally win the coastal they are playing for an ACC championship (as they would be this year if not for postseason ban) and therefore, competing for a BCS bowl.

Soooo... that isn't that far fetched or unreasonable.


Well if he actually did turn down A&M as well as turning down Tennessee this year then I think my initial point of him wanting a lower stress job is accurate. Sorry...but UNC is NOT on par with Tennessee, A&M or any other SEC job. I think that this is a question where if you polled sports writers and fans across the nation you would probably see 99% of them say that UNC is not even close to that type of job IF your aspirations are national titles and being an elite coach/team.

But every job is measured differently and every coach wants different things. I really believe that Larry Fedora saw the Tenn job (as well as the A&M job if he turned that down) as too much pressure.

The other aspect to this story is that Tennessee isn't saying they offered Fedora the job...it's basically Fedora coming out and saying "yeah they offered but I turned them down." What was he supposed to say? "Yeah UNC I interviewed for the job and really wanted it but they went with someone else instead...soo..Im back!" Just because you are interviewed and in the top 3 candidates (according to the media) doesn't mean you are going to get the job. See Sonny Dykes in football and Gregg Marshall in basketrball the last few years. Both were reported as the frontrunners for NC State gigs but when Yow interviewed them she didn't like them and went in a different direction.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

Well if he actually did turn down A&M as well as turning down Tennessee this year then I think my initial point of him wanting a lower stress job is accurate. Sorry...but UNC is NOT on par with Tennessee, A&M or any other SEC job. I think that this is a question where if you polled sports writers and fans across the nation you would probably see 99% of them say that UNC is not even close to that type of job IF your aspirations are national titles and being an elite coach/team.

But every job is measured differently and every coach wants different things. I really believe that Larry Fedora saw the Tenn job (as well as the A&M job if he turned that down) as too much pressure.

The other aspect to this story is that Tennessee isn't saying they offered Fedora the job...it's basically Fedora coming out and saying "yeah they offered but I turned them down." What was he supposed to say? "Yeah UNC I interviewed for the job and really wanted it but they went with someone else instead...soo..Im back!" Just because you are interviewed and in the top 3 candidates (according to the media) doesn't mean you are going to get the job. See Sonny Dykes in football and Gregg Marshall in basketrball the last few years. Both were reported as the frontrunners for NC State gigs but when Yow interviewed them she didn't like them and went in a different direction.



Maybe if you polled fans and media, but last year ESPN actually did a poll amongst current and former coaches as well as some in the media to find out what was the most desirable opening last offseason. Here is what actual coaches had to say:

1. North Carolina Tar Heels

UNC was the landslide winner among those I polled, and this job also scores well because of the area's incredible livability and centralized recruiting base. Butch Davis was able to recruit top-end talent to Chapel Hill before he landed in hot water over NCAA rules violations.
Even though Carolina is still first and foremost a basketball school, the pieces are in place to accomplish what the Texas Longhorns, Florida Gators and Ohio State Buckeyes have done during the past decade: win big in both hoops and football. The school's academic reputation, state-of-the-art facilities and strong alumni base help create the opportunity for the school to break through on the gridiron.
The talent level of this roster is strong as well. The Tar Heels have put together ESPN's 13th-, 24th- and 16th-ranked classes the last three years, the best marks of any of the five teams listed here. Sophomore quarterback Bryn Renner has shown flashes of brilliance, and star freshman running back Giovani Bernard has rushed for more than 100 yards per game. Replacing defensive end Quinton Coples and linebacker Zach Brown's defensive production will be paramount in 2012, but the cupboards are full of enough talent and athleticism to compete for ACC titles in the years ahead.

http://insider.espn....ch-openings-cfb


ALL of the people close to Larry Fedora said he had brief conversation with Hart in NYC where he told him he was not interested in even interviewing for Tennessee. That conversation became what the media claims was the interview.

And again if Tennessee is such a good job why did every coach run away from it like the plague??

But hey if you would rather deal in hypothetical polls rather than actual polls of coaches than be my guest. Whatever makes you feel better.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

But hey if you would rather deal in hypothetical polls rather than actual polls of coaches than be my guest. Whatever makes you feel better.


But, 99%!!!

Got to remember that you arent evaluating these job opportunities in a vacuum. Winning at Tennessee, right now, is gonna be really really difficult. The talent there right now is mediocre at best, you play in the hardest conference/ division in the country, and the AD is apparently incompetent.

Its a school with great facilities and great tradition, but its gonna take some time to build the team before you can compete in your own conference. I'm not sure how anyone could argue that its a can't miss job when so many coaches have turned it down

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:44 PM

Strong rejecting is far more surprising than Fedora. UT was a top ten gig, but UNC and State are 15-20 type jobs..not that much of a bump. Why Strong stayed at UL which is a 25-30 type job is beyond me.

My theory is that a lot of coaches are waiting to see what happens next year with Texas. If Mack is forced to retire they will offer Saban 10 mil/yr...so UTx or Bama may be open next year.


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