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Just looking at the teams who might draft before us.

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[quote name='theyhateme45' timestamp='1354247122' post='2023174']

I agree 100% and this is very very true...

If teams have 2 players rated equally then they will go for the player at postion of need.... But even before the NBA draft usually the top 5 is usually known no matter who the teams and needs are... In the NBA a lot of players turn out to be mediocre or role players... Players are often traded and moved around... So in the lottery if a team feels a player will be a long term difference maker they will draft them!!! I mean look how many PG's Minny took... Because it's only 5 [players on the court the NBA is all about talent and BPA (With the rare exception) See a potential star draft him...when he is ready to start the old vet is traded and moved on.
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What was true about his statment. I don't remember it being close between Rose and Beasley. It was a lot of smokescreens but everybody knew the Bulls would take The home town kid and biggest need Rose.

Do you even remember the Bulls PG before Rose?

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1354247679' post='2023187']


What was true about his statment. I don't remember it being close between Rose and Beasley. It was a lot of smokescreens but everybody knew the Bulls would take The home town kid and biggest need Rose.

Do you even remember the Bulls PG before Rose?
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From my response this is what I agreed with

"There are exceptions, yes, but generally it's BPA."

I mean look how many rookies or young players actually stick in this league and contribute... We have people coming back from Europe and damn near 40 years old still starting... Teams are looking at players WAYYY more than addressing a specific need in the lottery.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1354226314' post='2022808']
How many of them have the same need at the 4 and 5 position?


1. Wizards - have Nene, Oak, and Seriphan who they like.

2. Raptors - Barngiee Valancuines EDavis

3. Pistons - Monroe Durmmond

4. New Orleans - Davis Lopez

5. Cleveland - Zellers Varaigo and Tristan Thompson

6. Kings - Cousins , Trob,


Point is a big man might fall to us because a lot of these teams might not need one.


PS: I know some of their names are spelled so wrong. But in my defense this topic came from the top of my head and I didn't want to look that many names up.
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Let me put it this way... Say A Dwight Howard type Big man talent was coming out... How many of these teams will really just pass on him for a lesser player just because of needs.... Or if any other team won the #11 pick last year do you think they were not drafting Davis???? When Baby Zeller comes out do you think all of these teams will pass on him????

I love the NBA and the draft.... These guys draft the players they feel can be franchise piece for years to come.

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1354245647' post='2023140']
Let's see, Lopez is average.

Nene is injured and okafor is okafor.

Cavs, Thompson not living up to his talents and Zeller isn't even close to his brother.
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Lopez may be avg. but again he's young and they just signed him. He will get a chance plus I think NO will be better then us anyway.

And They are paying them both Big money not to mention again they like Seraphin and Booker. They will go wingman again.

Cavs won't go big 3 years in a row. I know they want another wing player.

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[quote name='theyhateme45' timestamp='1354248065' post='2023199']
Let me put it this way... Say A Dwight Howard type Big man talent was coming out... How many of these teams will really just pass on him for a lesser player just because of needs.... Or if any other team won the #11 pick last year do you think they were not drafting Davis???? When Baby Zeller comes out do you think all of these teams will pass on him????

I love the NBA and the draft.... These guys draft the players they feel can be franchise piece for years to come.
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Now there is a difference. If we are talking about a can't miss Franchise player. Like (Lebron, Duncan, Shaq or Howard) then yes you're right a team will take that player no matter what. But this year isn't that situation unless somebody jumps out. So most teams will draft off need.


I don't see ESP. Detriot or Sac taking Zeller or Noel at all no matter if they have the 1st pick.

Do you not agree with that?

I also think I can name more teams that drafted on need then BPA.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1354247679' post='2023187']
Do you even remember the Bulls PG before Rose?
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Kirk Hinrich. Who, at that time, was playing pretty damn well.

Also, opinion on the 2 was split at the time. No one would have been surprised to see Beasley go
number 1.

Also, also, you have no clue what you're talking about.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1354247679' post='2023187']


What was true about his statment. I don't remember it being close between Rose and Beasley. It was a lot of smokescreens but everybody knew the Bulls would take The home town kid and biggest need Rose.

Do you even remember the Bulls PG before Rose?
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Kirk Hinrich was pretty good for Chicago before Rose got there, most people thought Chicago would take Rose but Beasley had the better season in college.

Either way- point is teams dont really care about positions at the top of the draft. Look at Minnesota drafting Love while they still had Jefferson.

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[quote name='YES!YES!YES!' timestamp='1354249216' post='2023232']

Kirk Hinrich, who at that time, was playing pretty damn well.
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Yeah right. He isn't a reason you don't draft Derrick Rose. Just like Daniel Gibson wasn't a reason you don't draft Kyrie Irving.

But I promise you if the Wizards had the first pick last year. Since they already had John Wall they would have taken Derrick Williams 1st instead of BPA Kyrie Irving.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1354249626' post='2023256']
Yeah right. He isn't a reason you don't draft Derrick Rose. Just like Daniel Gibson wasn't a reason you don't draft Kyrie Irving.

But I promise you if the Wizards had the first pick last year. Since they already had John Wall they would have taken Derrick Williams 1st instead of BPA Kyrie Irving.
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So[font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828] Oakafor, Robin Lopez, Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Zeller, Anderson Varajao, and Tristan Thompson are all on the level of John Wall. Got it.[/color][/font]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Did I ever say teams always draft BPA? No. I said teams generally go BPA. No, you don't spend a lottery pick on a position you already have a superstar but Chicago proves my point. Hinrich was a starter level PG in the NBA at the time but they tok a shot on a guy who could be a superstar as opposed to a guy who would definitely help them right away.[/font][/color]

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[quote name='thatlookseasy' timestamp='1354249427' post='2023242']

Kirk Hinrich was pretty good for Chicago before Rose got there, most people thought Chicago would take Rose but Beasley had the better season in college.

Either way- point is teams dont really care about positions at the top of the draft. Look at Minnesota drafting Love while they still had Jefferson.
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Krik was avg. and Rose was the hometown kid. Olny YES! YES! YES! thought it might be Beasley. Most people knew Rose was doing to Chicago.

Rose came off taking his team to the National Championship game. How did Beasley have a better college year then Rose?

Love and Jefferson are seen as 2 different Positions. Jefferson is a C and Love is a PF. They could have and should be playing together. Minny GM is just stupid. They wasted picks on 2 Pg in the same draft Back to back. With Demar Derozen still on the board.

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[quote name='koolkatluke' timestamp='1354250454' post='2023287']
Krik was avg. and Rose was the hometown kid. Olny YES! YES! YES! thought it might be Beasley. Most people knew Rose was doing to Chicago.

Rose came off taking his team to the National Championship game. How did Beasley have a better college year then Rose?

Love and Jefferson are seen as 2 different Positions. Jefferson is a C and Love is a PF. They could have and should be playing together. Minny GM is just stupid. They wasted picks on 2 Pg in the same draft Back to back. With Demar Derozen still on the board.
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Do I really need to post all the mock drafts that have Beasley going 1st?

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Not that this really adds a lot to the conversation, but while Rose was the consensus #1, I do remember it being really close between him and Beasley. The closer it got to the draft, the more Rose was mocked as the #1 pick.

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