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How will our cap problems will influence the draft and the roster?


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#25 Pimpdaddy

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:20 PM

we're hosed for two years unless we get a genius for a GM...I knew Marty was an idiot after the Duhlomme deal and he hung on to losers fooooreva,,,

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

Thank you, Marty Hurney,-- I think gross, Godfrey, and Gamble (GGG) could be done by JANUARY

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:14 PM

I'm glad this thread was started. I was thinking of starting one myself titled "cleaning House".

We need to get one of the posters here who has access to the dollar figures for all Panthers contracts..(players/coaches)

since we have people on here screaming ...fire him or cut him or he has to restructure his contract, yada,yada, yada.....

Lets see what our new GM really has to work with. Lets see what the cap hit is for players to be released or what will it

cost to restructure contracts.........then lets see what will it cost to jettison the entire coaching staff.

I'm not quite sure if some of the people screaming so loudly know what replacement cost is.........but they need to.

Marty dug us a hole that it's going to take some time to get out of and there's an old saying that applies here......

"you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t"

So, someone take the bull by the horns and work the numbers ............and tell us how bad it really is.

Could you find room for more spaces next time? I think your sentences are a little too close together.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:23 AM

we're hosed for two years unless we get a genius for a GM...I knew Marty was an idiot after the Duhlomme deal and he hung on to losers fooooreva,,,


Meh, we're not hosed. We're up against a tight space for next year, but a little creativity and we'll be fine.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:11 AM

Hope you're right mate...

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:27 AM

Cap Hits 2013

Base + Signing Bonus cost = Cap Hit (Cut/Trade/Retire Cost)
Easy Money
Jordan Gross: 8.7m + 0.83m = 9.53m (1.6m)
Chris Gamble: 7.9m + 3m = 10.9m (6m)
Cost more to replace than to keep
Ron Edwards: 2.5m + 0.83m = 3.33m (1.67m)
Haruki Nakamura: 1.3m + 0.33m = 1.63m (0.67m)
Greg Olsen: 3.75m + 1.7m = 5.45m (5.1m)
James Anderson: 2.9m + 1.4m = 4.3m (4.2m)
Cheaper to keep
Steve Smith: 3.75m + 2.5m = 6.25m (7.5m)
Thomas Davis: 1.5m + 1.4m = 2.9m (4.2m)
DeAngelo Williams: 4.75m + 3.2m = 7.95m (9.6m)
Charles Godfrey: 1.6m + 1.83m = 3.43m (7.32m)
Jon Beason: 5.25m + 3.33m = 8.58m (13.33m)
Ryan Kalil: 4.75m + 3m = 7.75m (12m)
Jonathan Stewart: 1m + 1.5m = 2.5m (7.5m)
Charles Johnson: 6.75m + 5m = 11.75m (20m)
2013 Greg Hardy 575k and the final year of his rookie contract, needs a new contract.

Free Agent List

Gary Barnidge TE
Ben Hartsock TE
Richie Brockel TE/FB
Antwan Applewhite DE
Dwan Edwards DT
Andre Neblett DT
Captain Munnerlyn CB
Derek Anderson QB
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:19 AM

simple answer: the cap problem will hinder the draft and FA maneuvering.

the cap problem will hinder us in every way and in every circumstance.

should we worry?

No. All GM's deal with the cap and managing contracts and acquisitions around and underneath it. It's probably one of the biggest facets of the job they have to deal with outside of all the different personalities of rich, spoiled, and entitled athletes who come completely assembled with fragile bodies and psyches.

That said, what we should worry about is that our cap issue is unique in that an abnormally large percentage of our highly paid guys who are taking up cap space are suspect of sucking out loud. We need to have what some would call a "fire sale" only that would be an incorrect moniker since for some the fire was either superimposed (yeh, the goat) from the jump or started going out sometime ago.

What this GM will have in front of him/her (i vote Condeleeza Rice for GM since she has more balls than anyone else I have heard mentioned thus far) is how to purge waste, promote "talent", and retain value in an attempt to salvage some of Jerry's biscuit money. He has to do this without offending the current coaching staff (which is why I am certain they will be gone because that would be impossible) and he has to somehow field a team next season that does not garner an unprecedented amount of vitriol from fans and media in the market. That too will be impossible since we all know as frequenters of the Huddle that plenty of Panther fans have convinced themselves that they have all the answers.

The next two seasons will not be easy. Lots of moves will be easily disagreed with and some will even defy even the most common of sensibilities. We want a good, no great person to take the reigns right now but my fear is that the great ones know that whoever takes over through what needs to take place the next two seasons (minimum IMHO) is never going to be able to become a fan or media favorite and will risk a mob-placed blackball from the industry. It is likely that we will get a second tier choice that has nothing to lose and wants to make his mark. That is what scares the sh-t out of me more than anything else. The likelihood that a candidate with limited or questionable experience can manage the difficulties this roster presents this year and next is in my opinion very slim.

We need some serious luck, a surprise or two, and a hell of a lot of patience.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:22 AM

This fanbase is not patient!

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:35 PM

This fanbase is not patient!


and?

what has THAT done for them.

My thoughts were not meant to inspire patience. I don't care who blows their top, loses their cool, offs their woman, or themselves. People that cannot handle pressure will do weird things and who am I to stand in their way. My thoughts were just my honest opinion of the best case scenario we are staring at. It will likely be much worse.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

and?

what has THAT done for them.

My thoughts were not meant to inspire patience. I don't care who blows their top, loses their cool, offs their woman, or themselves. People that cannot handle pressure will do weird things and who am I to stand in their way. My thoughts were just my honest opinion of the best case scenario we are staring at. It will likely be much worse.


I wasn't arguing with you. I agree with everything you said. I'm just saying, this fanbase is not patient. Not willing to grow and develop a young QB who won rookie of the year last year. First few weeks, Keek was a "wasted pick". Stew injured both his ankles and "that extension was a mistake". Etc.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 04:25 PM

I wasn't arguing with you. I agree with everything you said. I'm just saying, this fanbase is not patient. Not willing to grow and develop a young QB who won rookie of the year last year. First few weeks, Keek was a "wasted pick". Stew injured both his ankles and "that extension was a mistake". Etc.



you are right. I kind of thought you were making an observation, just driving your observation home a little more as an example of what not to do. Fans by definition are not typically patient and that is fine but what we have coming up will really push some of them to the limit.