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#16 g5jamz

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:36 AM

Because you don't have to care about your employees healthcare and just pay the fine right?

Way to suck the teat of Santa.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:46 AM

go ahead, do it.

Quit using your baiting rhetoric and go ahead and invest a bunch of your rusty money. Let's see you libs put your money where your mouth is. "Obama is good for business", I mean, you hear that every day.


I'm building the software package in my spare time. Don't rush me bro.

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The higher the corporate tax the more money I'd keep in the company. Invest, expand, hire.

The lower it is the more money id take out personally.





#18 Panthro

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:50 AM

Because you don't have to care about your employees healthcare and just pay the fine right?

Way to suck the teat of Santa.

thats what Walmart does - Capitalism amirite????

I haven't made a dime yet. Let me make some green before I start employing thousands the first week.

Actually being able to afford healthcare on my own without being denied because of past issues.

And if I couldn't find private healthcare I'd pay into Obamacare.

My risks are


#19 g5jamz

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:53 AM

welcome to slavehood

Your government masters approve.

#20 Panthro

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:12 AM

So that's slavery? No wonder you think it wasn't that big of a deal.

#21 Panthro

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

welcome to slavehood

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You should be picketing the billionaires that are paying below livable wages and having the tax payers pick up the insurance just to help their bottom line. Why demonize me.

Oh that's right it's just lip service republicans give to small businesses.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:23 AM

Who determines the livable wage? While I agree there are many shady ceos sticking it to people how does higher taxes cause them to adjust wages so someone makes more?

It seems the wage thing is in the eye of the beholder as well as cost of living.
The main reason jobs in CA pay more is the costs/taxes to live there are crazy.
Its a tough pickle no doubt aout it.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:30 AM

Who determines the livable wage? While I agree there are many shady ceos sticking it to people how does higher taxes cause them to adjust wages so someone makes more?

It seems the wage thing is in the eye of the beholder as well as cost of living.
The main reason jobs in CA pay more is the costs/taxes to live there are crazy.
Its a tough pickle no doubt aout it.


You are mixing two different talking points

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

Not really. Taxes for a biz can determine what they pay. Isn't that the reason some states offer tax incentives?
With that wages are supposedly to line up with taxes and the col in a particular state.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:27 AM

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I'm probably on Obama's naughty list because I'm an R.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

So that's slavery? No wonder you think it wasn't that big of a deal.



Pssst....it still exists today.

#27 g5jamz

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:20 PM

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#28 Panthro

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:42 PM

Time to tax them

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:58 AM

Who determines the livable wage? While I agree there are many shady ceos sticking it to people how does higher taxes cause them to adjust wages so someone makes more?

It seems the wage thing is in the eye of the beholder as well as cost of living.
The main reason jobs in CA pay more is the costs/taxes to live there are crazy.
Its a tough pickle no doubt aout it.


Higher taxes want make them adjust wages. It will bring in more money for the gov so they stop printing so much. Only way we will see increased wages is with production and with a global market place we have little chance of that happening. As a small business owner I know with higher production comes more jobs and better wages. When those numbers fall off cuts have to be made. With Obama Care Big business is going to do what my business has done for years. Shift to more workers but use them only on a part time bases. The gov decided to make business owners foot the bill on Obama care and they will adjust even if the Gov can't.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:02 AM

but if a high # of people aren't working, chances are, less of them are BUYING stuff. therefore, many companies don't produce because well, why?

lots of this current stuff reminds me of the AMT(i was not around when it came out btw). the goal, then, was tax the higher earners. sound familar?
look at the unintended consequences. year after year, middle income people get hit with it and every year congress puts a patch on it instead of totally fixing or abolishing it.

need more workers guys. not taxes.


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