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I know that Byron Bell is doing well at RT and a lot of people want to cut Jordan Gross. But as a temporary fix until Gross' contract is up why not draft a future LT in the first and move Jordan to RT and move Bell to RG.
Why would that be good or bad?

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For the 1,000th time Bell is NOT a Guard. In fact he'll most likely suck at the position.
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Yea I hate this stupid idea of moving Bell to RG. I rather just draft a RG in the 2nd

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And I remember debating about taking a OG early in the drafty last year. One huddle member constantly was arguing about that history have shown that you don't take OG early until the mid to late rounds (I.E., Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks etc). Funny how many mocks here now have us taking an OG either 1st or 2nd round next year (

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1354410408' post='2025701']
Yea I hate this stupid idea of moving Bell to RG. I rather just draft a RG in the 2nd
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I just want to know why because if memory seres me right he was a guard in college right

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[quote name='Panthersguru14' timestamp='1354416723' post='2025778']

I just want to know why because if memory seres me right he was a guard in college right
[/quote]Left tackle, really should be his position in the league, very upright player and much better pass blocker than run blocker. Jordan Gross was never a special LT, was a better RT. Right guard you want a guy with good feet and athletisism for pulling but also a physical guy who can dominate the guy in front of him.

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Think we have talked this to death already, but doubt at 10-12 spot, we have a great choice for LT

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10-12 I want Keenan Allen, D Milliner- maybe Chance Warmack.

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[quote name='Panthersguru14' timestamp='1354416723' post='2025778']

I just want to know why because if memory seres me right he was a guard in college right
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College is different from Pro. Beason was a dominant OLB at the U, but he clearly isn't able to play OLB as well as when he's playing Mike for us.

Bell has become a solid RT and that have become his best suited position.

If you want an OG, take a Barrett Jones in the 2nd. But please dnt move Bell to RG.
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[quote name='Swaggasaurus' timestamp='1354417596' post='2025789']
Left tackle, really should be his position in the league, very upright player and much better pass blocker than run blocker. Jordan Gross was never a special LT, was a better RT. Right guard you want a guy with good feet and athletisism for pulling but also a physical guy who can dominate the guy in front of him.
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I was wrong he was a tackle in college so It wouldn't make much sense to move him inside.

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star in the first and fluker in the 2nd
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[quote name='TMS3426' timestamp='1354485613' post='2027486']
star in the first and fluker in the 2nd
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My only problem with that is we're not taking one of the several good looking WR prospects there. I also think RG is a bigger problem than LT on the OL.

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1354494908' post='2027990']


My only problem with that is we're not taking one of the several good looking WR prospects there. I also think RG is a bigger problem than LT on the OL.
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Fully agreed.
I want Star or Hankins in the 1st then a WR/FS in the 2nd.

OG is also a much more needed position than LT. I still can't see why many members are calling for a franchise LT after "one" poor game vs Denver. If we go LT 1st, that'll be the stupidest decision making by a GM in Panthers history. What are we going to do with Gross and Bell?

If we don't go DT 1st, it better be a WR.

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[quote name='Panthersguru14' timestamp='1354416723' post='2025778']
I just want to know why because if memory seres me right he was a guard in college right
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The RT position is a position that is your best run blocker. He's a guy that can strafe off the line quickly (meaning his feet positioning has to be great) and a guy that also never gets caught flat-footed.

The RG is a guy that needs to come off the ball low, with a powerful punch, either knocking the defender back, opening up a lane, or tucking behind the RT and getting out into space, low enough to clear out LBers.

Bell is more of the former. He's got nimble feet, but he's not fast. He's got decent technique, can swat away defenders, but plays upright. He doesn't come off the ball low, or with an incredibly powerful punch, meaning he needs to be a guy on the outside.
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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1354421663' post='2025843']
10-12 I want Keenan Allen, D Milliner- maybe Chance Warmack.
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I'm starting to like the idea of drafting Warmack.

I've heard from numerous scouts that he could be the best guard prospect of all time, better than Steve Hutchinson.

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[quote name='Pablo Honey' timestamp='1354525302' post='2028860']


I'm starting to like the idea of drafting Warmack.

I've heard from numerous scouts that he could be the best guard prospect of all time, better than Steve Hutchinson.
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I will kill someone if we take a OG in the 1st or especially that high in the draft without making any trades; adding picks with it.

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1354550924' post='2029130']
I will kill someone if we take a OG in the 1st or especially that high in the draft without making any trades; adding picks with it.
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... why?

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I would also be severely disappointed if we took Warmack in the top 5 where we're drafting but if we're picking in the teens for whatever reason he'd definitely be worth a look if Star and Hankins are gone.

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[quote name='Ruff' timestamp='1354579673' post='2029890']


... why?
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Are we going to be better next year by taking a OG??

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1354588450' post='2030255']
Are we going to be better next year by taking a OG??
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I think so, yeah. I think that a guard is what the offensive line is missing. When we had Wharton and Hangartner, we had one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. Without that, we're breaking down on almost every play.

Not to mention opening holes for the running backs.

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[quote name='Ruff' timestamp='1354589700' post='2030306']


I think so, yeah. I think that a guard is what the offensive line is missing. When we had Wharton and Hangartner, we had one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. Without that, we're breaking down on almost every play.

Not to mention opening holes for the running backs.
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Sure it'll be nice to have a legit RG, but that's not going to help our backs in any way in this system.

Is the lack of an OG the reason we're losing games and can't close out games late in the quarter?

I wouldn't mind an OG in the 2nd, but really can't be in the 1st. It should be DT or WR in the 1st. Not even close.

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1354590044' post='2030321']
Sure it'll be nice to have a legit RG, but that's not going to help our backs in any way in this system.

Is the lack of an OG the reason we're losing games and can't close out games late in the quarter?

I wouldn't mind an OG in the 2nd, but really can't be in the 1st. It should be DT or WR in the 1st. Not even close.
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I'm sorry, I just can't agree.

I think the reason we can't close out late is the same reason we [b]won't[/b] have this same system next season.

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[quote name='Ruff' timestamp='1354590247' post='2030329']


I'm sorry, I just can't agree.

I think the reason we can't close out late is the same reason we [b]won't[/b] have this same system next season.
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We can't close games bc either there's no open wide receiver for Cam to pass to, or our Defense can't make a stop. It's not bc we lack a RG. Our weakness spot on the OLINE ATM is not RG, it's Center.

Star, Hankins, or a top receiver will help this team much more than a RG.

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1354590454' post='2030344']
We can't close games bc either there's no open wide receiver for Cam to pass to, or our Defense can't make a stop. It's not bc we lack a RG. Our weakness spot on the OLINE ATM is not RG, it's Center.

Star, Hankins, or a top receiver will help this team much more than a RG.
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Arguing is pointless. I have a different opinion.

Is Center a problem? Yes. Is RG a problem? Yes. Is LT a problem? Yes. Is LG a problem? Yes.

It's not just the center.

Besides, hasn't it been the consensus for years that drafting BPA is the best thing to do?

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[quote name='Ruff' timestamp='1354590558' post='2030347']


Arguing is pointless. I have a different opinion.

Is Center a problem? Yes. Is RG a problem? Yes. Is LT a problem? Yes. Is LG a problem? Yes.

It's not just the center.

Besides, hasn't it been the consensus for years that drafting BPA is the best thing to do?
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Lol what? When did we argued?
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Is DT a bigger problem for the future? YES.
Is WR as big a problem, if not bigger than RG? YES
Is LT a problem? Somewhat.

And 125.99999% agreed with taking BPA in top5-10. But no OG is going to be BPA at that spot. Tell me if I'm wrong.

David Decastro was a pretty damn good OG prospect and he wasn't taken till no.24 to Pittsburgh. Should any OG prospect be taken what is looking like top5-10 to us would be a terrible stupid call.

If we trade down to around the mid to later and add picks, go ahead and take an OG. Or if we take one in the 2nd I'm fine with it, but top5-15? It's a stupid dumb decision.

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