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#31 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:20 PM

I just think finding a quality OG is too easy to spend such a high pick on one. If it was LT or C, then I'd agree, but OG and RT aren't that big of a priority to that high in the draft.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

Chuck just likes sexy players.

And you're arguing that a DT is more of an impact in the 4th quarter with two minutes left than a stud offensive linemen that will keep Cam clean and give him the time to get his targets the ball.

A good offensive guard gives your QB time to let his his receivers routes develop. With a QB as good as Cam, you don't need super star receivers. You just need to give him time to find the open target.

I know you didn't play football, but do you know how hard it is to get to the ball to ANYONE when a 300 pound man is coming at you 3 seconds after the snap?


I'm glad someone understands this.

And, to go further from what you said, I would prefer to have a strong OG, simply because I want our next coach to have a dominant run game. That is the way to clinch the game in the 4th quarter, when teams are trying their best to get the ball back. Just give it to a running back, have a dominant center (which we have) and a dominant guard (which we're lacking severely) open a giant hole and let the back pick up at least five.

We're in a time when the NFL is changing. The receiver position is incredibly important still, but less so now. There's all kinds of late-draft pick receivers becoming stars. The offensive line is becoming increasingly important as the position of QB becomes more important.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:25 PM

I just think finding a quality OG is too easy to spend such a high pick on one. If it was LT or C, then I'd agree, but OG and RT aren't that big of a priority to that high in the draft.


I agree. RG is more a need than LT at this point. But not a big enough need to take it in the 1st. I want DT/ WR in the 1st then we can look for a OG in the 2nd or in the 4th.



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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:26 PM

I'm glad someone understands this.

And, to go further from what you said, I would prefer to have a strong OG, simply because I want our next coach to have a dominant run game. That is the way to clinch the game in the 4th quarter, when teams are trying their best to get the ball back. Just give it to a running back, have a dominant center (which we have) and a dominant guard (which we're lacking severely) open a giant hole and let the back pick up at least five.

We're in a time when the NFL is changing. The receiver position is incredibly important still, but less so now. There's all kinds of late-draft pick receivers becoming stars. The offensive line is becoming increasingly important as the position of QB becomes more important.


Take one in the 2nd or 4th.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

Take one in the 2nd or 4th.


The same can be said for a DT, we can get one in the 2nd or 4th.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:35 PM

The same can be said for a DT, we can get one in the 2nd or 4th.


Not even close! Who's in the 2nd that can be as good as a Star or Hankins? Maybe Ford. But Jesse or Sylvester Williams? No way

2nd round OG: Barret Jones, Warford, Gabe Jackson, Bailey

2nd-4th OT: Fisher? Dallas, Aboushi, Fluker Williams

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

Bottom line, we need a OG, NT, WR, FS, and a future LT so its gonna be hard to fill all of these with quality guys. As it stands now, I think getting Hankins may be the best route for round 1 but this offensive line no doubt needs to be rebuilt.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

Bottom line, we need a OG, NT, WR, FS, and a future LT so its gonna be hard to fill all of these with quality guys. As it stands now, I think getting Hankins may be the best route for round 1 but this offensive line no doubt needs to be rebuilt.


re: Hankins

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler stated that his notes on Ohio State junior DT Johnathan Hankins started at "glowing" and now are "extremely average."

This sums up Hankins' 2012 season very well, as many (including us) were very impressed with the Buckeye's sophomore tape. However, this season, Hankins has disappeared far too often and it is obvious his motor drains in the late stages of games.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:33 PM

re: Hankins



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good to know. thanks for the link

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 02:31 AM

Let's say you could see into the future and you knew for a fact that if we didn't build a great run blocking O-line with this draft, then we would have another losing season. But if we did build a great run blocking O-line, then we'd have a winning season. What would you do draft wise?

We go DT 1st, and non O-line in the 2nd, and we're losing 10+ games next season imo. Cam is not even close to being able to carry our offense. 2 or 3 season from now, maybe. Next season, we had better have a great rushing attack, or around 10+ losses imo.

The best run blocking OG in the draft I've seen is Chance Warmack. Get the rushing lanes open, and send the expensive RB though the lane. Start winning. If there's an option to trade down and pick him up, we had better take it. If we draft a DT with weight issues, then that's just sad. Please don't screw this up Panthers.


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