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#106 g5jamz

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

http://www.timesdisp...19bb30f31a.html

Gun-related violent crime in Virginia has dropped steadily over the past six years as the sale of firearms has soared to a new record, according to an analysis of state crime data with state records of gun sales.
The total number of firearms purchased in Virginia increased 73 percent from 2006 to 2011. When state population increases are factored in, gun purchases per 100,000 Virginians rose 63 percent.
But the total number of gun-related violent crimes fell 24 percent over that period, and when adjusted for population, gun-related offenses dropped more than 27 percent, from 79 crimes per 100,000 in 2006 to 57 crimes in 2011.
The numbers appear to contradict a long-running popular narrative that more guns cause more violent crime, said Virginia Commonwealth University professor Thomas R. Baker, who compared Virginia crime data for those years with gun-dealer sales estimates obtained by the Richmond Times-Dispatch.


Because rifles and shotguns are used far less often to commit violent crimes, Baker said, one could argue that the purchase of those types of weapons is falsely inflating the total gun purchases in relation to total gun crime.
So Baker also examined the relationship between handgun purchases and handgun-related crime. He found a similar trend.
Handgun purchases in Virginia increased 112 percent from 2006 to 2011, but violent crimes committed with handguns fell by nearly 22 percent. When adjusted for population increases, handgun purchases rose a little more than 100 percent, but violent crimes committed with handguns dropped 26 percent, according to Baker's analysis.
Baker said this general pattern remains even if all crimes reported to police where the gun type was unknown are assumed to be handguns.
"In fact, if all unknown gun types used in violent gun crimes are assumed to have been handguns, then handgun-related violent crime decreased just over 24 percent from 2006 to 2011," he said.



#107 Delhommey

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:16 PM

Telling y'all keep listing "gun sales" as evidence of increasing gun ownership.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

It's like talking to 13 year olds.

If Panthro gets to eye roll at my links, I feely 100% in my rights to eye roll at a page that proudly presents a graph with a category called "McCain Vote Share".


So you're contesting what statistic exactly?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

Telling y'all keep listing "gun sales" as evidence of increasing gun ownership.



Yeah I guess they are just throwing them in the fuging creek.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:19 PM

Until guns sold through crack deals are tracked...it's all we have. The Virginia article did throw out long rifles/shotguns for analysis.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:21 PM

Yeah I guess they are just throwing them in the fuging creek.


or the same people are buying more guns...

crazy idea...

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:22 PM

You kids have hammered me all afternoon for my ideas and have yet to offer your own.

I'll wait for that instead of sticking my neck out the rest of the day.



I know Panthro is stocking up on musket balls and black powder.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:32 PM

or the same people are buying more guns...

crazy idea...



ORRRR

First time ownership could be on the rise.
http://www.nj.com/cu...ven_by_fir.html

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

Yeah I guess they are just throwing them in the fuging creek.


As shown in the chart, the percentage of households legally owning a gun is going down. Judging by these two numbers, the increase in sales is due to a small group upping their number of guns, which is believable. The 80/20 rule is generally pretty universal.

Crime as a whole is going down, so it's not surprising that gun violence as a whole is going down as well. Gun sales are up but the % of the population owning a gun is going down.

Make of that what you will, but stop cherry picking data to support an emotional argument.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

cherry picking data

Delhommy I love ya man, but you are such a hypocrite in this subforum.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

ORRRR

First time ownership could be on the rise.
http://www.nj.com/cu...ven_by_fir.html


While absolute data on the number of new gun owners is hard determine — under New Jersey law the police are prohibited from releasing specific information pertaining to firearms purchases and permit requests — local gun dealers are observing the trend toward increased ownership in their own shops.


More anecdotal evidence.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:37 PM

ORRRR

First time ownership could be on the rise.
http://www.nj.com/cu...ven_by_fir.html



i don't think the two things are mutually exclusive ...

Jersey's gun violence has actually been on the rise...

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

Jersey's gun violence has actually been on the rise...



Well it is Jersey...

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:40 PM

You kids have hammered me all afternoon for my ideas and have yet to offer your own.

I'll wait for that instead of sticking my neck out the rest of the day.



I know Panthro is stocking up on musket balls and black powder.

It's the only sensible solution....everyone gets a musket

#120 Delhommey

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:43 PM

i don't think the two things are mutually exclusive ...

Jersey's gun violence has actually been on the rise...


There is no numerical evidence of this being first time buyers. It is based completely off the observations of gun store owners informally asking their customers.


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