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[quote name='h0llywood' timestamp='1355514458' post='2046207']
Any QB who is 31st in Passer Rating, 33rd in Completion % and tied for lead in interceptions should never be considered for MVP, ROY. Period.
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Kid's been overrated since his sophomore year at Stanford. He will be a [b]GOOD[/b] QB but he isnt "the next Peyton". And he's not as good as RG3 or Cam. I applaud the Colts, they've had a memorable season and deserve props for it, but when dudes talk about ROY or MVP they turn Luck into the pocket passer version of Tebow. Shitty stats, but "4th quarter comebacks!", "he just wins!", it does him a disservice. I'm sure he wants to be better than 31st ranked passer in the NFL regardless if his team is winning or not.

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Kid's been overrated since his sophomore year at Stanford. He will be a [b]GOOD[/b] QB but he isnt "the next Peyton". And he's not as good as RG3 or Cam. I applaud the Colts, they've had a memorable season and deserve props for it, but when dudes talk about ROY or MVP they turn Luck into the pocket passer version of Tebow. Shitty stats, but "4th quarter comebacks!", "he just wins!", it does him a disservice. I'm sure he wants to be better than 31st ranked passer in the NFL regardless if his team is winning or not.
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Some people got butt hurt when I said earlier that Luck's stats are closer to Tebow than they are to RG3.

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I think this has been a great year for rookie qb's.

Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, Wilson. All look like they have bright futures, especially when you think of guys like Peyton, or Aikman and the first seasons they had.

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Kid's been overrated since his sophomore year at Stanford. He will be a [b]GOOD[/b] QB but he isnt "the next Peyton". And he's not as good as RG3 or Cam. I applaud the Colts, they've had a memorable season and deserve props for it, but when dudes talk about ROY or MVP they turn Luck into the pocket passer version of Tebow. Shitty stats, but "4th quarter comebacks!", "he just wins!", it does him a disservice. I'm sure he wants to be better than 31st ranked passer in the NFL regardless if his team is winning or not.
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Your job as a QB isn't to light up a stats sheet, its to lead your team to wins. I would bet you anything in the world that Marino would give up all his stats for Terry Bradshaws rings...

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[quote name='Varking' timestamp='1355538886' post='2046722']
Your job as a QB isn't to light up a stats sheet, its to lead your team to wins. I would bet you anything in the world that Marino would give up all his stats for Terry Bradshaws rings...
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Cam puts up better stats. We have less wins. Forget Indy's defensive numbers. Look at the play. Hell, look at Luck's play. Indy keeps Luck in games. Cam throws 3 INTs, we lose with absolutely no chance. Luck throws 3 INTs, he is in a position to win and does. If you think Indy's defense hasn't helped them win games, you're fuging blind.

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Luck doesn't get wins. That team gets wins. Because wins and losses are a team stat. Luck's individual performance has been sub-par. Anybody who cannot see it is blind. Will he be good eventually? Yes. Will he ever be Cam good? No. He won't. You want inconsistency? You could say he's had a good game if he completes 53% of his passes (Luck, I mean). That's not a good sign as far as consistency goes. He throws a pretty ball most of the time. Makes PLENTY of bad decisions, though, and just flat out misses on plenty of throws as well.

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[quote name='lightsout' timestamp='1355635089' post='2047628']
Cam puts up better stats. We have less wins. Forget Indy's defensive numbers. Look at the play. Hell, look at Luck's play. Indy keeps Luck in games. Cam throws 3 INTs, we lose with absolutely no chance. Luck throws 3 INTs, he is in a position to win and does. If you think Indy's defense hasn't helped them win games, you're fuging blind.
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Couple of things real quick... When Luck throws three INTs, his team is 1-2. In those three games he has 7 touchdown passes as well. The Colts in those games lost by 20, 25, and won by 2. I would hardly say when he throws three picks he is in position to win.

Cam Newton in games with three INTs, 0-4. In those games he has 6 Touchdowns ( rushing and throwing ) to his 13 interceptions. The Panthers in those games;

Cam throws 3 ints and 0 tds, Panthers lose by 14 to Giants. Cam also rushed poorly that game, racking up 6 yards of 6 carries.

Cam throws 3 INTs against Green Bay and the Panthers lose by 3, and they were just yards away from winning. So do not give me the crap argument of we lose with no chance if Cam plays poorly.

Cam throws three picks against Atlanta, we lose by 14.

Cam throws 4 picks against Detroit, we lose by 14.

Cam and the Panthers, when close in games, have not been clutch. Luck and the Colts make the most of the opportunities they are given.


Also, Luck would not have to throw or press as much if his defense didn't give up tons of points or yards. Luck also has taken advantage of his situation. When his team is trailing in the fourth he finds a way to lead his team down the field. He has something like 6 fourth quarter comebacks, and four game winning drives.

If you think Indys terrible defense has been the reason they are winning, then you are fuqing blind.

Lastly, no need to double post. Breathe, relax, and edit your post if you want to add stuff.

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[quote name='Varking' timestamp='1355284757' post='2042873']
A weaker schedule and better leadership out of the QB position. You hear 0 issues with anybody on that team and Andrew Luck. They all have bought in.

Indy is ranked 22nd in total defense, the Panthers are 15th.

Indy 20th against the pass, Carolina 12th.

Indy 19th against the rush, Carolina 21st. 13 yard difference.

Carolina is 21 in points allowed, Indy 23.

So its not the defense....


Offense?

Indy is 8th in passing yards. Carolina is 17th.

Carolina 11th best rushing attack in the NFL. Indy is 22.

Indy 17th in points.

Carolina 22nd.

Indy is dead last in kickoff return average...


I could go on and on but rather than be able to give props to a player on another team, we will just pretend what he has done is unimpressive just because of how spoiled we were a year ago watching Cam.
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So, let's get down to the brass tax on why they have won.......it is because they have played one of the 3 EASIEST schedules in the league.

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Lmao Varking still adamantly downplaying the entire football team Luck is surrounded by.

What a bunch of scrubs they have, Andrew must be getting so tired of carrying the whole squad.

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I don't understand why everything has to go back to Cam when we are discussing Luck...

Still if I had to choose between Cam having our current roster, or the colts roster (minus the QB), I am still keeping our roster... I believe from watching a lot of both of these teams our overall team talent is better.

To the point of Luck, I have also been a defender of his during the year, and had him as the OROY. However, over the last few weeks I have changed my vote... I would give the nod to RG III at this point. That's not an indictment on Luck, but for this season only what RG III has done in the NFC East is more than impressive. Still there is a lot of time to see what happens to these QB's and how will they develop... Will one of them turn into the elite consistent QB Manning and Brady have been almost guaranteeing their teams make the post season through all the personnel changes??

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Is it RGIII or the offense? Their backup looked pretty darn good.

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Hoping Luck eats poo and bust the league. He don't want to ba a Panther, I din't want him to win.

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