Skimmed through this but loss of external power is an obvious contingency for nuclear reactors worldwide. You can shut down a nuclear plant quickly. I don't think it's true at all that if power is out for a long period of time the reactor is going to meltdown.
As an example, this plant was automatically shut down when the power went out posing no danger to anyone:
http://www.rrstar.co...-plant-shutdown
Additionally any meltdown is going to be pretty localized. A chernobyl type event is basically impossible in the USA
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:50 PM
I'm interested in doing a bit of prepping though. We have a lake behind my house that would be perfect for water purification.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:51 PM
I've been inside the plant in Southport, granted it was in 1994, but still... that place is top notch.
It is also not near a fault or nearly as close to the ocean as Fukushima was... not saying that they can't have issues, I'm just thinking it's a lot less likely.
It is also not near a fault or nearly as close to the ocean as Fukushima was... not saying that they can't have issues, I'm just thinking it's a lot less likely.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:52 PM
nuclear plants, chemical plants, refineries....all of them....all designed to shut themselves down when the power goes out. They will flare like poo but they will shut themselves down in a safe manner....yes...even with a 100% power outage!
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:24 PM
nuclear plants, chemical plants, refineries....all of them....all designed to shut themselves down when the power goes out. They will flare like poo but they will shut themselves down in a safe manner....yes...even with a 100% power outage!
Yeah this.
Not saying there aren't some dangers in the event of societal collapse but it will be minor compared to everything else..
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:29 PM
So this feeling of "I need to be ready for (Stuff)" isn't just me... fascinating.
With all the storms we've had and you living on the coast it's not a bad idea to be prepared for a few weeks without power or needing to flee due to possible flooding.
I like that my family all have our passports so if something crazy happens in America we can run for the boarder.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:32 PM
With all the storms we've had and you living on the coast it's not a bad idea to be prepared for a few weeks without power or needing to flee due to possible flooding.
I like that my family all have our passports so if something crazy happens in America we can run for the boarder.
this... can't state this enough... passports.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:38 PM
With all the storms we've had and you living on the coast it's not a bad idea to be prepared for a few weeks without power or needing to flee due to possible flooding.
I like that my family all have our passports so if something crazy happens in America we can run for the boarder.
we will welcome you with open arms...but please...don't bring any of these other crazy bastards with you!
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:56 PM
I live close to the 10 mile evacuation zone for the Southport nuclear plant - I follow everything that goes on there very closely. they are not a well operated plant and are an OLD plant. The NRC had to step in 2x within the past year due to problems there. That is what we know of as the public - god knows what really is going on in there
this from 2 years ago
SOUTHPORT, NC (WWAY) -- Progress Energy once again says tritium has leaked from it's Brunswick Nuclear Plant in Southport, N.C.
A spokesman for Progress Energy says the leak did not pose any threat to employees or neighboring residents in Brunswick County, but some residents say they have their concerns about living so close to the plant.
then this reply from a former supervisor there
As a supervisor at the Brunswick Nuclear plant for 7 years and a Technician for 15 years, there have been a number of these leaks. As a supervisor I was in charge of a Manhole project and since 2004 and 2005 we were always fighting underground water leaks. The major problems they have there is so many water lines and electrical conduit underground. With the salt water enviroment these pipes are rusting through and with all the miles of underground piping they can never find all the water leaks and their sources. A major problem they did was to pave the whole site inside the protected area and now to search for the leaks you have to dig through pavement. They have cut their budget so bad and have not been proactive in finding the leaks. They have had a Tritum problems for years and have keep them under the radar..
anybody that thinks the NRC isnt in collusion with the power companies to keep aging and unsafe nuclear plants operating is delirious.
this happened in 2011
RALEIGH, NC (NEWS & OBSERVER) -- Nuclear safety officials have concluded that a fluke mishap last year at Progress Energy's Brunswick nuclear plant near Wilmington was caused by the lack of worker qualification for more than a decade.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission issued its preliminary findings yesterday, but the federal safety agency is continuing its investigation to determine the safety significance of the incident.
The unusual mishap that shut down the Brunswick Unit 2 reactor last November may be the only such incident in U.S. nuclear history.
this from 2 years ago
SOUTHPORT, NC (WWAY) -- Progress Energy once again says tritium has leaked from it's Brunswick Nuclear Plant in Southport, N.C.
A spokesman for Progress Energy says the leak did not pose any threat to employees or neighboring residents in Brunswick County, but some residents say they have their concerns about living so close to the plant.
then this reply from a former supervisor there
As a supervisor at the Brunswick Nuclear plant for 7 years and a Technician for 15 years, there have been a number of these leaks. As a supervisor I was in charge of a Manhole project and since 2004 and 2005 we were always fighting underground water leaks. The major problems they have there is so many water lines and electrical conduit underground. With the salt water enviroment these pipes are rusting through and with all the miles of underground piping they can never find all the water leaks and their sources. A major problem they did was to pave the whole site inside the protected area and now to search for the leaks you have to dig through pavement. They have cut their budget so bad and have not been proactive in finding the leaks. They have had a Tritum problems for years and have keep them under the radar..
anybody that thinks the NRC isnt in collusion with the power companies to keep aging and unsafe nuclear plants operating is delirious.
this happened in 2011
RALEIGH, NC (NEWS & OBSERVER) -- Nuclear safety officials have concluded that a fluke mishap last year at Progress Energy's Brunswick nuclear plant near Wilmington was caused by the lack of worker qualification for more than a decade.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission issued its preliminary findings yesterday, but the federal safety agency is continuing its investigation to determine the safety significance of the incident.
The unusual mishap that shut down the Brunswick Unit 2 reactor last November may be the only such incident in U.S. nuclear history.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:10 PM
28 years and the NRC didnt catch this?
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Duke has not escaped censure on the nuclear front. The Union of Concerned Scientists tagged Duke’s triple-reactor Oconee plant in South Carolina as one of the industry’s “near misses” in 2011. Plant workers discovered that Oconee’s backup reactor core cooling system, because of wrong settings by employees, had been inoperative for 28 years. The safety feature was added in 1983 in response to the meltdown at the Three Mile Island plant, which is the same design as Oconee.
http://www.journalno...8162aaa1c5.html
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Duke has not escaped censure on the nuclear front. The Union of Concerned Scientists tagged Duke’s triple-reactor Oconee plant in South Carolina as one of the industry’s “near misses” in 2011. Plant workers discovered that Oconee’s backup reactor core cooling system, because of wrong settings by employees, had been inoperative for 28 years. The safety feature was added in 1983 in response to the meltdown at the Three Mile Island plant, which is the same design as Oconee.
http://www.journalno...8162aaa1c5.html
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:11 PM
nuclear plants, chemical plants, refineries....all of them....all designed to shut themselves down when the power goes out. They will flare like poo but they will shut themselves down in a safe manner....yes...even with a 100% power outage!
wrong
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:15 PM
I've been inside the plant in Southport, granted it was in 1994, but still... that place is top notch.
It is also not near a fault or nearly as close to the ocean as Fukushima was... not saying that they can't have issues, I'm just thinking it's a lot less likely.
it is near a fault line
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The Brunswick plant is built near a fault line that runs along the Carolinas coast from Charleston, S.C.,Hughes says.
http://www.bizjourna...lt-on-same.html
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Almost 25 General Electric-designed nuclear reactors in the United States are very similar to reactors in Japan threatened with a catastrophic meltdown.
The 23 American reactors in 13 states are GE boiling-water reactors with GE's Mark I systems for containing radioactivity, the same containment system used by the reactors in trouble at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, according to a Nuclear Regulatory Commission database that MSNBC accessed.
In addition, 12 American reactors in seven states have the later Mark II or Mark III containment system from GE.
An explosion occurred Monday at a second reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi facility, following Saturday’s explosion at another reactor there, and engineers are desperately trying to stave off a meltdown of the reactor cores.
The six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant are all GE-designed boiling-water reactors, according to the anti-nuclear advocacy group Nuclear Information and Resources Service (NIRS).
The group says that five have containment systems of GE's Mark I design, and the sixth is a Mark II design. They were placed in operation between 1971 and 1979.
The Mark I has design problems, the NIRS has said.
"Some modifications have been made to U.S. Mark I reactors since 1986, although the fundamental design deficiencies remain," the NIRS said.
The following 23 U.S. plants have GE boiling-water reactors (GE models 2, 3 or 4) with the same Mark I containment design used at Fukushima, according to the NRC online database:
- Browns Ferry 1, Athens, Ala., operating license since 1973, reactor type GE 4
- Browns Ferry 2, Athens, Ala., 1974, GE 4
- Browns Ferry 3, Athens, Ala., 1976, GE 4
- Brunswick 1, Southport, N.C, 1976, GE 4.
- Brunswick 2, Southport, N.C., 1974, GE 4.
- Cooper, Brownville, Neb., 1974, GE 4.
- Dresden 2, Morris, Ill., 1970, GE 3.
- Dresden 3, Morris, Ill., 1971, GE 3.
- Duane Arnold, Palo, Iowa, 1974, GE 4.
- Fermi 2, Monroe, Mich., 1985, GE 4.
- FitzPatrick, Scriba, N.Y., 1974, GE 4.
- Hatch 1, Baxley, Ga., 1974, GE 4.
- Hatch 2, Baxley, Ga., 1978, GE 4.
- Hope Creek, Hancock's Bridge, N.J. 1986, GE 4.
- Monticello, Monticello, Minn., 1970, GE 3.
- Nine Mile Point 1, Scriba, N.Y., 1969, GE 2.
- Oyster Creek, Forked River, N.J., 1969, GE 2.
- Peach Bottom 2, Delta, Pa., 1973, GE 4.
- Peach Bottom 3, Delta, Pa., 1974, GE 4.
- Pilgrim, Plymouth, Mass., 1972, GE 3.
- Quad Cities 1, Cordova, Ill., 1972, GE 3.
- Quad Cities 2, Moline, Ill., 1972, GE 3.
- Vermont Yankee, Vernon, Vt., 1972, GE 4.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:18 PM
There's ancient faults everywhere... I don't think whatever fault theyre referring to is an issue.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:31 PM
Oh my god tomcat you better move!!!
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:37 PM
Seriously though. The NRC won't allow a plant to operate if its got something questionable going on. Not since 3 mile aisle. That's why outages at Brunswick have gone for 3 months compared to 3 weeks at well maintained plants. Ideally a plant only wants to be down long enough to inspect some things and satisfy NRC requirements while refueling. That never happens at Brunswick.
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