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#31 Argus Plexus

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 09:08 PM

Andy Reid?

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He could coach and fill our need at NT. ;)

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

Don't worry. Raiders will make a flashy pick.

Roger Goodell: In the 2013 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Jarvis Jones, LB out of UGA!!!!!


No they'll pick a WR. But not the #1 overall but the #2 or the #3 because it is the Raiders we are talking about and we know how they draft

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:07 PM

Maybe someone like Sylvester Williams in the second at NT

Looking at the prospects, if Hankins, Star, & Joekel are gone, I'd seriously consider Allen or Milliner and go either WR/OG/DT in the 2nd.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 11:07 PM

I don't know. I think Ron has one more win in him AT MOST. No way we get 5 wins IMO. He'll blow it some how.


Well I agree whole heartedly. 4-12 it is.

So people think DT is our biggest need now?

Dwan and Ron are holding it down for now and I think Dwan has several quality years left. No doubt, we need to address it still, but I don't know that it is our #1 need.

I'm thinking Safety or a solid #2 CB (assuming Norman will be taking over Gamble's spot) are higher up there for now.


I see what you're saying diddy, but remember Ron just when down and we need a YOUNG UT/NT Fua is not the answer and Ron is old as fudge. Getting that stud NT to take over for Ron when he's gone just has to be done. The biggest needs in my honest opinion would be DT, FS,OT, WR, G.


how does Star compare to other top DT prospects- Suh, McCoy, and Dareus ?


From what I've been reading and hearing he's better than Suh when he was coming out. Suh has declined a bit though. But Star is a good all around player, on and off the field.


What makes you think we can beat the raiders?


Um, it's the raiders. They're horrible. We're at home and they aren't a good road team. Also they don't know if they're coming or going.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:16 PM

So people think DT is our biggest need now?

Dwan and Ron are holding it down for now and I think Dwan has several quality years left. No doubt, we need to address it still, but I don't know that it is our #1 need.

I'm thinking Safety or a solid #2 CB (assuming Norman will be taking over Gamble's spot) are higher up there for now.



DT been our biggest need since when? a year or two ago.
and it still is one of our biggest need.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:19 PM

Maybe someone like Sylvester Williams in the second at NT

Looking at the prospects, if Hankins, Star, & Joekel are gone, I'd seriously consider Allen or Milliner and go either WR/OG/DT in the 2nd.



I wouldnt mind.
Hes also a big fellow, but I dont really keep up with him.
Hes a guy that his stock could rise by draft day.

Some mocks have him going late 1st. I just rather have a Star or Hankins before anyone else in this draft. If we miss out on the two of them, then Sylvester and Jenkins will be my two favorite DT left on the board.

Im iffy about Kawaan Short. I llike Ford, Richardson and Nix above Short.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:08 AM

Don't get the hype with Star.

Sure he's a big, strong, athletic man but he doesn't dominate like the hype suggests he should. I prefer Jesse Williams.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:27 AM

If we don't get Star or Hankins, my next choice is Nix (not with our first choice of course). If none of those three I don't really want any others. I was considering John Jenkins for a while, but after watching some more youtube on him he seems incredibly sluggish. Powerful, yea, but sluggish and terrible technique. Short's ok I guess, and the rest are more UTs and we need a NT.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:36 AM

Jesse Williams is another interesting name. That guy will dominate at the next level no doubt.

I worry about stars production at the next level, I think he'll be good, but not great.

Hankins is still my front runner. He would be the perfect dominate nose tackle for us.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:44 AM

We are only guaranteed that the Falcons will be playing hard.

Raiders currently, cannot stick their finger up their butt with both hands--horrible

Chargers, losing coach and GM at seasons end, they have packed it in

With Saints out of the hunt by the time we play them, not sure what they will do.

Most teams will start playing backups in certain situations and try to ascertain just exactly what they have as far as a bench.

Look at Eagles, Vick will not be back, Foles will get opportunity to see NFL action, same with McCoy and Brown. Playing Brown looks like a great find for Eagles as long as he learns to hold on to the ball.

Personally, with the season gone, I would play Adams Murphy a lot in the last 4 games and Gettis if he is healthy. Do we need to write Gettis off? Who knows, but we have 4 games to learn this and draft accordingly.

We know that the Oline has issues, enough injuries have taken place to show us where we are there.
Dline is the same, LB, which was one of our strengths, still has an issue or two.
And I know I am on the outside looking in, but I would put Anderson in some during the second halves coming up. Backup QB, is an area where we probably know the least. Hey, it is next year and draft time in Panther land, a yearly ritual from Thanksgiving on.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:37 PM

This is just my own speculation but I'm really excited for whoever we get at DT this draft. I think we have an awesome attitude and culture on our D-Line this year. Guys like Hardy and CJ are stepping up into more vocal leadership roles. Dwan and Frank are studs who also seem to be in the same zone as the former two. Because of that mentality I think whoever we pick up is gonna get a boost from the intensity these guys bring, they don't quit and I think for a rookie with the potential these top guys have to join a line like that is huge. It's hard to quantify but it's just my own opinion. One more young nasty guy in the middle and we'll have one of the best D-Lines in football.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:01 PM

Don't get the hype with Star.

Sure he's a big, strong, athletic man but he doesn't dominate like the hype suggests he should. I prefer Jesse Williams.


You'll see next season.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:22 PM

That actually makes sense, they'd try to copy the success of a division rival (Broncos) taking a 3-4 OLB in a 4-3 defense.


I could easily see that happening, but it's not to emulate what the Broncos did, it's the fact that Dennis Allen, the Head Coach of the Raiders, was the defensive coordinator of the Broncos when they took Von Miller. Allen knows how to use that style of OLB in his system (the same system Fox uses).

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:27 PM

I could easily see that happening, but it's not to emulate what the Broncos did, it's the fact that Dennis Allen, the Head Coach of the Raiders, was the defensive coordinator of the Broncos when they took Von Miller. Allen knows how to use that style of OLB in his system (the same system Fox uses).


Or what really could happen is they go with Manti Teo. They need lb badly and Rolando have been pretty bad. Manti is a Heisman finalist and will be playing in the Championship game. He has a great resume to go with it.



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Posted 08 December 2012 - 10:27 PM

Jesse Williams is another interesting name. That guy will dominate at the next level no doubt.

I worry about stars production at the next level, I think he'll be good, but not great.

Hankins is still my front runner. He would be the perfect dominate nose tackle for us.


It's amazing, I agree with almost everything you say in the draft forum. Between you, Lout, and a couple of others, we have some awesome draft talk people.

But, here I agree and disagree. I don't think Star will dominate, honestly. I think his football IQ is way lower than people think it is, and he's going to need the right system to really shine.

However, I don't think Hankins is going to be a star either. When I see Hankins, I honestly see a lot of Gerald McCoy. Some one that could definitely be good, but it's going to take a couple of years before he really emerges, something we don't have time to wait around for.

As far as Williams goes, I tend to agree. The guy is going to be a beast. He's strong, he's physical, and he's played in a true pro-style defense. But, I think there's so many more options out there that would be an immediate change to our team.


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